Tisha Casida claims Liberty groups are front for the Republican machine

[LBennett76]

http://www.dailypaul.com/254686/liberty-groups-a-front-for-the-republican-machine#comment-2739426


I find this very interesting because I do have to say, a good majority of the Ron Paul supporters/Liberty movement folks I know personally have never been Republicans. Many are disenfranchised Democrats and independents. To focus only on the Republican Party will disclude a good number of those in the Liberty Movement who despise the Republican Party and have no desire to take it over. Only 25% of the ones I know are or have been Republican. And it is awful that a candidate gets treated this way.

 

[ninepointfive]

I'm from Colorado - and she's for the most part speaking about the Tea Party leadership I imagine. The people who remained in those organizations since 2010 by and large have no principles and are all about their own ego.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I can't altogether agree. Both establishment Republicans and true Liberty people know that in the final analysis, we are enemies...and both factions are fighting for support. There is no wool being pulled over the eyes. Both sides know what the other is doing.

But in another sense, I really relate to the feeling that both parties are not able to be reformed. I've been listening to a lot of Harry Browne tubes lately...and his arguments are so convincing to me. I wish he were still alive and running...

 

[Keith and stuff]

She isn't a serious candidate and isn't trying to win. I am glad that YAL is trying to use its money wisely. She needs to grow up. maybe when she learns more about politics she can start to make positive changes like get elected and help pass and stop bills.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Tisha has been on our list for a long time:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365683-List-of-Liberty-minded-Candidates-for-US-Congress

 

[LBennett76]

Where did you get that she wasn't a serious candidate? I've been following her on Facebook for a long time. She's quite serious. She's even appeared on Freedom Watch. Not sure where you think she needs to "grow up".
I'd love to run for office but I'd never make it past my own county GOP. Bunch of die-hard evangelical neocons. I'd be dead in the water, so I'd run as an independent as well.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Well, considering the events of yesterday...

She has a point.

 

[acptulsa]

Well, considering the events of yesterday...

She has a point.

And considering the events of the convention...

What she has is a bad case of sour grapes and a foot in her big mouth.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

I find this very interesting because I do have to say, a good majority of the Ron Paul supporters/Liberty movement folks I know personally have never been Republicans. Many are disenfranchised Democrats and independents. To focus only on the Republican Party will disclude a good number of those in the Liberty Movement who despise the Republican Party and have no desire to take it over. Only 25% of the ones I know are or have been Republican. And it is awful that a candidate gets treated this way.

My question would be how many liberty movement folks do you know in real life? Is your background in the GOP or did you come from outside the party? The reason I ask, is because my experience is completely opposite of yours. Having been active in politics since the 1960's, the overwhelming majority of libertarian-minded people that I know (and have known) are members of the GOP and have been for most, if not all of their lives. This includes elected officials and organization members.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Where did you get that she wasn't a serious candidate? I've been following her on Facebook for a long time. She's quite serious. She's even appeared on Freedom Watch. Not sure where you think she needs to "grow up".
I'd love to run for office but I'd never make it past my own county GOP. Bunch of die-hard evangelical neocons. I'd be dead in the water, so I'd run as an independent as well.

Her post was nothing but her throwing A fit like a child would do. So I got the idea from her rude and immature behavior. Oh, and that rude outburst is a DP original. So she using the DP to do her dirty work.

I all recommended a candidate to YAL. I was also ignored. I took it like an adult. I didn't put it as a post on the front page. How unprofessional of her.

What lower offices has she run for and won? 1 of the articles about her said all she could do is be a spoiler candidate. Maybe she is serious is she has so crazy hate for the GOP and wants to punish them. In that case, I admit I was wrong.

If on the other hand, she thinks she can win, she is delusional.

 

[ninepointfive]

How is this a fit on her part? It's pointing out the fact that much of the leadership in the Liberty groups have people leading them who are not concerned about freedom or liberty.
If it is because of her rant on YAL and C4L, then she could be correct. And I know of a state coordinator for Ron Paul who ran a political campaign, who was in the republican party, who saw only a tepid response from C4L to say the least. Its true - those guys have their own agenda - which isn't exactly helping liberty candidates.

 

[LBennett76]

I've always been a Republican. I'd say personally I know 50 people who are liberty-minded. A few of my liberty friends were Republicans, more than a few are independents (some voted Nader and Perot), and there are a lot of disenfranchised Democrats. A lot of people have woken up, but most that I know AREN'T Republicans. I'd say we make up around 10 of the 50. Some are Quakers who normally vote Dem. because they're fiercely anti-war and environmental. They've actually got a wind turbine up in our little village that helps run their farms. I live in a county that has only voted for an R for president once since 1960 and that was Nixon's second term. This is coal/welfare country. The County GOP is all country club folk, lawyers, wives of lawyers, former state politicians... no normal folk are in there. All power-players and snooty. Hardcore evangelical neocons. The other Republicans are all the middle-upper-middle class church goers who have to get that evil Muslim out and abhor the thought of gay marriage. They're "we must conquer the Middle East for our freedoms, but we'll give up our freedoms if it protects us" kind of people. Very sad. Only 319 people out of over 5000 voted for Ron Paul in my county. But that's up from 114 in 2008.
The movers and shakers of the party in my county that I have personally spoken to (they go to the church I used to and both I've known my entire life) do not like Ron Paul AT ALL. Last election they wanted Huckabee, this one Santorum. They're settling for Romney. Santorum won my county with 52% of the vote.

 

[LBennett76]

She's been participating in the debates alongside the R and D candidates, so obviously they're taking her seriously. She declared she was running over a year ago.

 

[AniForLiberty]

I think you all are aware of the financial, cultural, legal, and partisan constraints that effectively forbid third party candidates from seeing a real victory over the Republican and Democratic parties, so I'll leave those points be.

However, there are other reasons why her post seems to be of premature thought. For example, in her post she claims what she wants is access to YAL's network. Clearly she is not knowledgeable on the subject matter because that would cause YAL to violate their tax status and break the law. Perchance this is something on which Ms. Casida should educate herself before attempting to tarnish the reputation of these organizations and cause yet another divide within the movement -- something that fights our success much more harshly than any of our statist enemies.

Additionally, YAL offers many other resources for candidates like her which she has failed to utilize.

 

[TishaTCasida]

Thank you, I appreciate that. I am sure there are great people in both organizations - but my personal experience is - that they are not supportive of a liberty candidate who runs as an Independent. I think that goes against what they say they stand for.

Tisha

 

[TishaTCasida]

I am a former member of YAL and went to their "Year of Youth" event in Arlington last year. I have asked numerous times to have the contact info of other people in their organization who are running for office (to network) and have continually been ignored. They do not support me running as an Independent. And please let me know of these other services that they offer to candidates - [email protected]

 

[ninepointfive]

I am a former member of YAL and went to their "Year of Youth" event in Arlington last year. I have asked numerous times to have the contact info of other people in their organization who are running for office (to network) and have continually been ignored. They do not support me running as an Independent. And please let me know of these other services that they offer to candidates - [email protected]

Hi Tisha - Best wishes for you - and also, I understand these organizations are advancing some other agenda which isn't something which aligns with local liberty candidates. I've come to the same conclusion after helping out with a race back in 2010. There are many in these organizations who think they're libertarian - but ends up they're really not - and this is based on observations from their own comments and statements.

I've unsubscribed from all their lists.

How's your campaign coming along otherwise?

 

[torchbearer]

I am a former member of YAL and went to their "Year of Youth" event in Arlington last year. I have asked numerous times to have the contact info of other people in their organization who are running for office (to network) and have continually been ignored. They do not support me running as an Independent. And please let me know of these other services that they offer to candidates - [email protected]

I'm glad you are running. It is a thankless task.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There was never a prerequisite that supporters be a "libertarian". This movement is for everyone and anyone who wants liberty.

 

[Cowlesy]

What's your polling data look like? The sad reality is, Liberty organizations are pretty severely resource constrained, and while I understand you weren't asking YAL's PAC for dough, they have to look at a race's odds of success to use other resources beyond money most effectively. I imagine their financial supporters demand that of them.

And that's not always easy to do. Just generally, it was a challenge to marshal support for Kerry Bentivolio, but once he got through his primary, it started to get marginally easier.

Since I don't know more than the original post on DailyPaul and what's posted here, my uneducated guess, without knowing polling, is that it will be a massive challenge to win the election.