Tipping Point

[affa]

No, because we're not absolutists. It's not about Nevada. We've just got to keep plugging away and keep standing strong. Our numbers are increasing. Exponential growth WILL happen, but we can't pinpoint exactly when the message will catch; perhaps it will be Nevada, perhaps it will be mid-February, perhaps it will be later. It'll happen, just stand strong.

saying 'win nevada, win america!' is not absolutist. heck, the campaign has similar messages on its ticker all the time - $6 million to win!

the absolutism Ron Paul tries to avoid is painting himself in a corner and limiting his future options. That slogan doesn't remotely do that.

 

[affa]

I would agree that Dr. Paul's supporters are the most devoted. And not just devoted to him but devoted to his ideas and the movement. But I think it's naive to say there is some inevitable tipping point when there are other candidates already over that number and didn't receive any such benefit. I do think the movement is growing and will increase as more people really hear what he's saying, but I also know there are a lot of people that disagree with him on fundamental issues and no matter how mainstream he becomes they will not support him.

The other candidates don't get that backing because their support base is manufactured. Their support was never a support of their ideas, but a chaotic support that barely understands why or what it is supporting. It's the laughter in the room that didn't get the joke... but wanted to fit in.

That energy IS the tipping point... you say these men didn't benefit from it, but they did. How else do you think Santorum went from 1% to winning Iowa in 2 weeks? It was a media manufactured gold rush to him. They provided the illusion of tipping point numbers, and ended up creating the surge they spoke of. But these are hollow men, with hollow ideas, and mostly hollow support. We might all rush out to try that new candy bar everybody is talking about, but if it tastes horrible, we're not going to buy it again.

Ron Paul, however, is the real deal. He is not a manufactured brand, but rather, stands for principle and ideology. And as he speaks, his support grows. This isn't manufactured support, it is real, hard-earned, loyal support. When Ron Paul reaches the tipping point, no other candidate has a chance.

 

[millercards]

In my eyes... the headline would say "Win Nevada and win the Whole Thing"

Then the story would paint out the details. It wouldn't guarantee a victory, but it would be a major ingredient.

 

[millercards]

Ron Paul, however, is the real deal. He is not a manufactured brand, but rather, stands for principle and ideology. And as he speaks, his support grows. This isn't manufactured support, it is real, hard-earned, loyal support. When Ron Paul reaches the tipping point, no other candidate has a chance.

^^ This

 

[affa]

I like the ideas and theory, but why hasn't Mitt or Newt received full support by now? They are both over the tipping point. I also think politics isn't the same as color tvs or cell phones.

that's not how it works. the end goal with a tipping point, or critical mass, is not necessarily 100% support. It is general acceptance.

And once it becomes acceptable to support Ron Paul, more will look into him. More will finally 'hear' him, rather than block it out because they've heard he's crazy or kooky.

Gingrich, Romney, Santorum... they speak in platitudes. Empty words. Fear mongering, war mongering. Talking Points. It's grand theater to them. At their core, they are establishment. Men like them have survived for decades in power because only those susceptible to such talk bought into them. Others weren't fully on board with them, but voted for them as the 'lesser of two evils'.

A great many, however, saw through them. We had no voice. We had no cause. We had no one to represent us. And now we do.

This is why the media attacks both Ron Paul and his supporters at every opportunity. Kooky. Conspiracy theorists. Young. Anything, and everything, to keep others from actually looking into us. Because once we become acceptable... once Ron Paul reaches enough people, we win.

 

[affa]

In my eyes... the headline would say "Win Nevada and win the Whole Thing"

Then the story would paint out the details. It wouldn't guarantee a victory, but it would be a major ingredient.

Yea, I don't know what state it should be.

But I think perhaps we need to present a challenge. We need to offer a prize.
The challenge is to a specific state, to stand up for liberty and give RP 1st. The prize offered is the presidency.

 

[millercards]

Yea, I don't know what state it should be.

But I think perhaps we need to present a challenge. We need to offer a prize.
The challenge is to a specific state, to stand up for liberty and give RP 1st. The prize offered is the presidency.

Yeah, I'm not great with which state feels what. It did seem like we got the same percentage from Nevada and Minnesota.

Nevada seems like a good place because of it's significance. I think it would help us in the west more than Minnesota would help us in the north central.

Either way.... what do we gotta do to push this as an idea.... grassroots or campaign or superPac?

in the text or subheads, I can see it now:

"Calling All GrassRoot Supporters! Californians, Utahians?, Arizonians, New Mexicans, NEVADANS especially... We NEED YOU NOW! Let's see the biggest grassroots movement we've ever seen and let's win Nevada."

This would be a huge blow to the unelectability propaganda.

 

[ConCap]

Science says if 15% of a population remain unshakeable in their belief, it causes a groundswell that allows the idea to flourish at an exponential rate.

So I'd say the tipping point would be regularly polling over 15% in the national Real Clear Politics average. We're close to getting over 15% for the first time there, but who knows what percentage of that 15% is unshakeable. That's why we need to be steadily over 15%.

Newt has done it, Romney has done it, Santorum has not, Ron Paul has not. If we can hit it steadily before Santorum, we have a real path to victory. If not, it will become that much harder because we'll have one more candidate that people view as realistic competing in the mix.

I think I remember reading some where that only 17% of the population in the America at the time, was for the revolutionary war.

 

[mosquitobite]

Yes ofcourse, I'm happy to. First let me show you what social proof is by presenting to you a dancing equivalent of Ron Paul, dancing to the beat of "Unstoppable" (which we are!).

LOVE IT!!

 

[Fredom101]

Saw a young woman say after the debate that she thought Ron Paul was the best one up there because he was straight forward with his answer and the other guys seemed to be just attacking each other.

I think this is becoming more and more common among regular people. (Not counting the converted Paullites)

I think there is also a large mass of people that still are hesitant because we seem 'kooky' or whatever word the media feeds them. It seems there are many hesitant to support Paul because of his unelectability propaganda.

At some point though... you would have to think.... there will be a TIPPING POINT.

At some point, people will see the percentages, start believing Paul has a chance, and they'll join the good fight.

The climb will then gain momentum (grassrooted converts + tipping point converts).

More people will join as our vote totals grow.

At some point, this momentum could tip.... and the votes would start to Pour in. If and once we find that point, I think it's over, we win.

Thoughts on this? How do we get to the Tipping Point? What percentage of votes do we need? 30+ in 2 consecutive states?

I agree with this sentiment. John from the John & Ken show in LA just came out as pro-Ron Paul after the whole Rand TSA incident. I think Ron is making his case powerfully, especially at the end of last nights debate where he laid out what a conservative is. Do you want big government? Fine, vote for the other guys. Or do you want liberty? It's SO clear now that a more people can see it since 08.

The tipping point is happening as we speak. Florida is unwinnable, but I'll be RP gets 15% or so and surprises a few people, moving on to the states where he'll be stronger. I'm excited for this pandora's box of liberty to be opened here soon...

 

[mosquitobite]

Same video with narration:


Why *WE* matter more than the leader!

 

[thesnake742]

That video rules. Looks like it perfectly sums things up! We know what we gotta do now.

 

[millercards]

That video rules. Looks like it perfectly sums things up! We know what we gotta do now.

Yes, it's definately clear.

We gotta DANCE!

 

[european]

I made a blog out of this topic, for those interested:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry....nt-amp-what-it-means-to-the-campaign-strategy

and yeah dance baby dance!

 

[millercards]

What a night! Kickass debate performance. John King recognizes Ron Paul being in 2nd in delegates. Santorum got trashed.

Are we closer to this tipping point?

We are putting pressure on the mass media, making it a lot harder for them to ignore us.

Keep up the good fight.

 

[J_White]

i just hope this tipping point is reached before Super Tuesday !
will it be of use if this is reached after ST ?