Time Ragazine: Secession ain't legal.

[tremendoustie]

The federal government says we shouldn't secede? Golly gee, I guess it'd be wrong then.

I wonder if secession by the colonists was "legal" according to King George?

 

[Demigod]

That sounds one hell of a lot like the double speak coming out of our government.




Um, ya, sure they did.

Well they did ,it is called the Perestroika.Except in the case of Chechnya ( which is a very complicated case ) almost everyone else split more or less peacefully,the same thing happened in Czehoslovakia .There was only one case of a truly violent breakup and that was Yugoslavia which would have never been as bloody as it was if NATO did not interfere.

In any case the people in Croatia,Slovenia,Bosnia.Macedonia stood up and rebelled against what was the 5th army in Europe.Give me a call when Texans put their money where there mouth is and rise up.

 

[jay_dub]

Um, ya, sure they did.

Reality is that, 14 years after the drafting of the Constitution of 1977, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

The mechanism they used was secession.

From Wiki:

The increasing political unrest led the conservative establishment of the Soviet military and the Communist Party to attempt a coup d'état to oust Gorbachev and re-establish an authoritarian and strong central regime in August 1991.[11] Although foiled by popular resistance led by Boris Yeltsin[12], then the president of the Russian SFSR, the coup attempt led to heightened fears that the reforms would be reversed, and most of the constituent republics began declaring outright independence.[13] On December 8, 1991 the presidents of the Soviet republics of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus met secretly and signed the Belavezha Accords agreeing to dissolve the Soviet Union, and replace it with a loose, voluntary union, the Commonwealth of Independent States.[14]

Two weeks later, 11 of the remaining 12 republics signed the Alma-Ata Protocol formally establishing the CIS and declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.[15] Increasingly powerless in the face of events, Gorbachev resigned from his office on December 25, and the Soviet Union formally ended its existence the next day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

 

[Origanalist]

Well they did ,it is called the Perestroika.Except in the case of Chechnya ( which is a very complicated case ) almost everyone else split more or less peacefully,the same thing happened in Czehoslovakia .There was only one case of a truly violent breakup and that was Yugoslavia which would have never been as bloody as it was if NATO did not interfere.

In any case the people in Croatia,Slovenia,Bosnia.Macedonia stood up and rebelled against what was the 5th army in Europe.Give me a call when Texans put their money where there mouth is and rise up.

True, but in 1977 when that was written, nobody was getting out alive.

 

[mad cow]

"It’s a question that law professors sometimes like to ponder, but the answer certainly must be no. The Constitution, which provides processes for new states to enter the union and for current states to divide or reconfigure, does not have a provision for states to leave the union. A state would have to leave by force — something Abraham Lincoln knew a lot about — since there is no legal basis it could point to for breaking away." --Time Mag

The Constitution has a provision for secession;Read the 10th amendment,then read the entire Constitution,then read the 10th amendment again.This is something anybody can do in less than an hour.

There's your legal basis right there.

 

[awake]

That's how you know you are a slave. You can join freely but you can never leave.

 

[libertygrl]

I guess we're being called "neo secessionists" now? Cool.

I think the term Dr. Edwin Vieria used is more accurate - Restorationists. It should be called a Restorationist Movement. And I believe THAT term should be adopted so that it's the supporters who write the narrative rather than the media. As Ron Paul noted, it isn't about physically seceeding, but rather the principle of secession being recognized.

As A. Jones pointed out as well, the government has been hijacked by foreign bankers. So it's not about wanting to seceed and create a new government but rather to restore it to the Republic it once was, based on the founding documents - The Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and The Constitution. Supporters just want to seceed from the Central Bank. That's why it's important that the public is made aware of the abuses going on. Provide the evidence - whether it's to your family, friends, or to local state leaders.




Dr. Edwin Vieira:

 

[Demigod]

True, but in 1977 when that was written, nobody was getting out alive.

I don't know what you mean but from the sixties to the seventies,in most of the socialist republics things seemed to be improving ( till this day those generations that were born in that period are the most brainwashed with the communistic ideal ) ,unlike their parents born in the 40ies and 50ies who saw the ugly side of communism in its creation or their kids in the 80ies and 90ies who saw its ugly side when it was collapsing.

And it would have collapsed a lot faster if there would not have been WW II which was basically a massive blood drain for Eastern Europe especially on the male population.Most of the people fighting against the communist died fighting with the nazis or against them.It took a lot of time until they could regroup.

 

[DamianTV]

Its also illegal to disobey any orders from your shadowy overlords.

The thing about Rights is that people now think they need PERMISSION to have a Right, when in fact the very essence of what a Right is stems from never asking someone else for permission. Rights and Permissions are the Polar Opposite of each other, yet, most people can not seem to figure that out.

 

[Origanalist]

Well they did ,it is called the Perestroika.Except in the case of Chechnya ( which is a very complicated case ) almost everyone else split more or less peacefully,the same thing happened in Czehoslovakia .There was only one case of a truly violent breakup and that was Yugoslavia which would have never been as bloody as it was if NATO did not interfere.

In any case the people in Croatia,Slovenia,Bosnia.Macedonia stood up and rebelled against what was the 5th army in Europe.Give me a call when Texans put their money where there mouth is and rise up.

Reality is that, 14 years after the drafting of the Constitution of 1977, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.

The mechanism they used was secession.

From Wiki:

The increasing political unrest led the conservative establishment of the Soviet military and the Communist Party to attempt a coup d'état to oust Gorbachev and re-establish an authoritarian and strong central regime in August 1991.[11] Although foiled by popular resistance led by Boris Yeltsin[12], then the president of the Russian SFSR, the coup attempt led to heightened fears that the reforms would be reversed, and most of the constituent republics began declaring outright independence.[13] On December 8, 1991 the presidents of the Soviet republics of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus met secretly and signed the Belavezha Accords agreeing to dissolve the Soviet Union, and replace it with a loose, voluntary union, the Commonwealth of Independent States.[14]

Two weeks later, 11 of the remaining 12 republics signed the Alma-Ata Protocol formally establishing the CIS and declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.[15] Increasingly powerless in the face of events, Gorbachev resigned from his office on December 25, and the Soviet Union formally ended its existence the next day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

You are both right. I've been sitting in front of this screen too long due to lack of work these last couple of weeks. I think I'm getting rumdum, time to give it a break.

 

[donnay]

I wonder how many of these people would say that divorce should be illegal. Not many? Its ok to breakup a family but not a govt.

Better to think like the Amish on this one. Shun the Federal government through the states--10th amendment nullification.

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/11/14/nullification-in-one-lesson/

 

[ghengis86]

That's how you know you are a slave. You can join freely but you can never leave.

When did I 'join freely'?

 

[Demigod]

When did I 'join freely'?

The moment you bowed before the authority after you became an adult.

 

[matt0611]

LOL, and I'm sure every lawyer in Great Britain would have told you secession was absolutely illegal in the late 1700s too.


How can a nation that was *formed* by secession and actually acknowledges the right of man every where to be self governed in its Declaration of Independents say that secession is not legal?

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL, and I'm sure every lawyer in Great Britain would have told you secession was absolutely illegal in the late 1700s too.


How can a nation that was *formed* by secession and actually acknowledges the right of man every where to be self governed in its Declaration of Independents say that secession is not legal?

LOL - Bernie Sanders, Angus King and Joe Lieberman issued a manifesto?