Time for tough love (re: B.J. Lawson's money bomb).

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I'm so broke I don't even have enough money for groceries, so this one hurt, but I donated anyways... Here's hoping BJ cpntinues to run a hell of a campaign.

 

[james1844]

Thanks Aspiring

I'm so broke I don't even have enough money for groceries, so this one hurt, but I donated anyways... Here's hoping BJ cpntinues to run a hell of a campaign.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I don't normally respond to many things on the internet, including personal emails and message boards. That being said, I wanted to say a few things to the Freedom and Liberty Community that are those here in the Ron Paul forum.

I am the creator of the Lawson Liberty Fund website. I've seen how hard our small group has worked, and I've seen its fruits. We've worked our asses off these past 2 weeks, and I consider it a success. When I first started the website about 2 months ago, I only wanted to raise about $1000 to $2000. We had about 15 donors registered up until about a month ago. Look how far we've gone!

As a group, we wanted the goal to be $80,000. My personal goal was $10,000. We have exceeded that, and I consider this a success. Yes, we didn't do what we had wanted, but we raised enough money in small contributions to do a lot of things.

Considering that most people found out about this in the last week, I can understand how it would be difficult to come up with $100 on a short notice. I grew up in a family where a spare $100 would take a few weeks and sometimes a few months to save up.

That being said, I too am disappointed in the community. We’ve had well over 1500 absolute page views to the site. If each of those would have donated just $25, we would have $37,500 raised. If they would have donated $50, we would have $75,000.

It’s all good though guys. We love you, and we hope that all of us will step up in the future. Thanks for making this a success (in my eyes), and thanks for giving BJ a huge boost in donations!

In Liberty,
Kacy

great post

 

[james1844]

You know what, I think that Paige doesn't really mean all of this stuff, I have the impression that hes probably stressed out and needs to vent. Its high pressure being a campaign staffer, as we all know.

For my part, I'm happy with the way things went.

That's ghey, and here's why:

(sorry to have to do this)



no, actually, she is sending this message as a staffer for B.J.

...and actually, she does speak for the campaign



ok, buffer (check).... que bad news:



Ok, so you want a raise, i get it. I'm glad you guys got a website put together and some great youtube vids (though i haven't seen them myself), that's a start.

Even happier you destroyed your opponent (an established one at that, no?).

Onward



Blah, not working. "Interns" what crap. "Without pay?" sounds like your problem, or perhaps theirs. It is what it is though.



Poo-pooing your fellow revolutionaries in the same breath that you ask them for money is foolish at best.



First off, sending out troll squads to "pressure major blogs" is just obnoxious (this goes back to "maybe it's the approach"). And second, if they chose to work gratis that is again, their issue and yours but certainly not mine.

Seriously, this is how i repay them? GTFO.

I'm not atlas, but... well, [insert obligatory Ayn Rand reference].



might as well have spit in their faces huh? by choosing to feed my family first?

that's fraken rich





funny, i'd just come to the same conclusion about some of "you."

how 'bout it.



And you're just the queen of f*n sheeba. Posts like these make me eager not to contribute my money to people like you.



SHOW ME TEH MONEYZ!!!!!

srsly, you sound like a bookie.

of course, if you're a libertarian, perhaps you might just be?
(no offense to all the non-libertarian bookies out there)

LoL. Yes, drill seargent.


and this is why you (and so many other efforts around here these days) are fail.

and frankly, with the way you put yourself up on a pedestal above "everyone who isn't me," you're riding for a fall.[/QUOTE]

 

[Shadow of a Doubt]

Change happens at the local level. I think it's always rude to expect someone to donate to a candidate that doesn't even represent their state/district, and BJ won't be any more effective in Congress than Ron Paul is right now; we'd just have more protest votes to occasionally feel proud of.

The current batch of patriots isn't large enough to financially support a bunch of nationwide elections, and donating to a congressman across the country is just going to leave less money for local activism, and the most important thing for the Revolution right now is to grow our numbers, so that we have the financial base to support these elections in the first place, not to guilt trip the strapped diehards into donating even more of their funds than they already have.

That said, I just donated my share after reading this thread.

 

[constituent]

You know what, I think that Paige doesn't really mean all of this stuff, I have the impression that hes probably stressed out and needs to vent. Its high pressure being a campaign staffer, as we all know.

For my part, I'm happy with the way things went.

1) Word to wise politicians, "make sure your hired guns don't act like loose cannons."

2) You should be. Here's to many more successes in the future!

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

That's ghey, and here's why:

(sorry to have to do this)



no, actually, she is sending this message as a staffer for B.J.

...and actually, she does speak for the campaign



ok, buffer (check).... que bad news:



Ok, so you want a raise, i get it. I'm glad you guys got a website put together and some great youtube vids (though i haven't seen them myself), that's a start.

Even happier you destroyed your opponent (an established one at that, no?).

Onward



Blah, not working. "Interns" what crap. "Without pay?" sounds like your problem, or perhaps theirs. It is what it is though.



Poo-pooing your fellow revolutionaries in the same breath that you ask them for money is foolish at best.



First off, sending out troll squads to "pressure major blogs" is just obnoxious (this goes back to "maybe it's the approach"). And second, if they chose to work gratis that is again, their issue and yours but certainly not mine.

Seriously, this is how i repay them? GTFO.

I'm not atlas, but... well, [insert obligatory Ayn Rand reference].



might as well have spit in their faces huh? by choosing to feed my family first?

that's fraken rich





funny, i'd just come to the same conclusion about some of "you."

how 'bout it.



And you're just the queen of f*n sheeba. Posts like these make me eager not to contribute my money to people like you.



SHOW ME TEH MONEYZ!!!!!

srsly, you sound like a bookie.

of course, if you're a libertarian, perhaps you might just be?
(no offense to all the non-libertarian bookies out there)


LoL. Yes, drill seargent.


and this is why you (and so many other efforts around here these days) are fail.

and frankly, with the way you put yourself up on a pedestal above "everyone who isn't me," you're riding for a fall.

 

[smarty927]

@aspiringconstitutionalist Wow man, I hate to hear that. Thanks for your contribution. I'll let BJ know about how much you wanted to see this be a success.

@constituent I know Paige personally. He truly is a person that wanted to see this be a success, and he worked harder than anyone I know to pull this off. Being a non-payed staffer, he has told me on a few occasions this week that he pulled all-nighters at least twice this week in sole purpose of messaging blogs and Facebook groups. I also want to emphasize that he was not speaking for the campaign (like he said) but for himself and our efforts.

To those above and everyone else, thanks for expressing your opinions and remarks. We'll consider them when trying to organize another grassroots event. As posted elsewhere in this discussion board, check out LawsonMinuteMen.com for updates on grassroots events. Oh yeah, one last remark. LLF received hits from all 50 states and 32 different nations, all thanks to the efforts of those that worked behind the scenes and the 40 interns. Thanks guys.

In Liberty,
Kacy

 

[constituent]

and to think, if they'd have put that at the front door, this thread wouldn't even be here!

 

[FireofLiberty]

Someone had to be a "loose cannon" and say it. What Paige said, by the way, is bigger than BJ's money bomb. It's about the fact that we're falling apart and if we don't get it together the larger Campaign for Liberty will be over before it starts.

 

[FireofLiberty]

I'm so broke I don't even have enough money for groceries, so this one hurt, but I donated anyways... Here's hoping BJ cpntinues to run a hell of a campaign.

This is what I'm talking about! Thank you!

 

[constituent]

Someone had to be a "loose cannon" and say it. What Paige said, by the way, is bigger than BJ's money bomb. It's about the fact that we're falling apart and if we don't get it together the larger Campaign for Liberty will be over before it starts.

what paige said, and how paige chose to say it (not him alone) has been a primary contributor to the "fact that we're falling apart."

food for thought, take it or leave it.

 

[FireofLiberty]

what paige said, and how paige chose to say it (not him alone) has been a primary contributor to the "fact that we're falling apart."

food for thought, take it or leave it.

I haven't seen anyone come out and say it yet.

 

[mport1]

Someone had to be a "loose cannon" and say it. What Paige said, by the way, is bigger than BJ's money bomb. It's about the fact that we're falling apart and if we don't get it together the larger Campaign for Liberty will be over before it starts.

Ditto. The first thing we have to do is stop all of this infighting. Our numbers are too small for this kind of stuff.

 

[constituent]

I haven't seen anyone come out and say it yet.

oh come on now... there has been a never ending string of people who come in here to bitch at all of us sunshine patriots when things don't turn out the way they wanted... for months!!!!

"it's all your fault"

"you're not a real revolutionary (I AM!!!!!)"

blah blah, the list goes on.

that said, i do appreciate you coming to the aid of your friend and all.

 

[FireofLiberty]

oh come on now... there has been a never ending string of people who come in here to bitch at all of us sunshine patriots when things don't turn out the way they wanted... for months!!!!

"it's all your fault"

"you're not a real revolutionary (I AM!!!!!)"

blah blah, the list goes on.

that said, i do appreciate you coming to the aid of your friend and all.

It's not just about that, it's that I think he's right and I also am concerned about the state of things. I'm not pointing fingers, but I'm looking at where we were a few months ago and where we are now and there's plenty of reason to be concerned and recognize something is wrong. I'm not surprised there is some shrink in activity and the amount of effort being put forward -- that was inevitable once it became clear RP wasn't going to win and he was beginning to end the campaign -- but the level of shrink of activity and the amount of reduction in effort we've seen greatly concerns me, and it should greatly concern everyone here.

I don't think it's a bad idea to talk about this and come up with ways we can fix this.

 

[constituent]

It's not just about that, it's that I think he's right and I also am concerned about the state of things. I'm not pointing fingers, but I'm looking at where we were a few months ago and where we are now and there's plenty of reason to be concerned and recognize something is wrong. I'm not surprised there is some shrink in activity and the amount of effort being put forward -- that was inevitable once it became clear RP wasn't going to win and he was beginning to end the campaign -- but the level of shrink of activity and the amount of reduction in effort we've seen greatly concerns me, and it should greatly concern everyone here.

I don't think it's a bad idea to talk about this and come up with ways we can fix this.

I agree with you 100%.

Here is the key. If anyone is really concerned with why things (for this sake of our discussion, things online) aren't working now, all they have to do is go back and scour internet archives for the public discourse that was taking place between the individuals coalescing around RP back then (pre-RPforums.com even), and compare it to the discourse taking place now (the OP being a prime example).

That is/would be a start.

 

[PatriotOne]

I've increasing come to the conclusion that most of you aren't seriously interested in reclaiming liberty. Some of this group are just a social club who would prefer to just sit around and whine and bitch about how the world is collapsing or about how the evil puppetmasters at the CFR and Trilateral Commission are trying to turn us into human sacrifices at their Bohemian Grove rituals (or whatever else crazy batshit insane ideas that you guys have) instead of actually DOING something about what's wrong with the world. Others of you are just a bunch of sick personality cult adherents, and in this respect, you're no better than Obama supporters.

Paige Michael-Shetley
Youth Coordinator, Volunteer Coordinator
Lawson for Congress
[email protected]

What makes you think the "conspiracy theorists" aren't donating to BJ? I didn't see a questionaire asking if I was a "conspiracy theorist" when I made my donation. I suspect any additional "conspiracy theorists" that come upon your post won't be motivated to make a donation now.

I usually save my disgust for those who intentionally try to impede the movement but I am making a exception this time. You are a ignorant bitch Paige.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Just gave $25.

 

[SnappleLlama]

I don't think it's right to accuse people of not being for liberty if they just don't have the money to donate. We've all been bled dry from the countless moneybombs and pleas for funds...it's not that I don't want BJ Lawson to win, I do..I REALLY do, but I cannot afford to give more than I already have. As lame as this sounds, I can't have my rent check bounce in the name of liberty.

I don't think the OP's post was the proper way to handle this. I appreciate his situation, but perhaps it could have been toned down a bit? I'm giving everything I can, here...