Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

[nobody's_hero]

[h=1]Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?[/h]No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.

That would never happen. libertarians these days will sooner reach out all the way to the far left because they find something like pot in common and think they're gonna build some super coalition around it (nevermind the left will ban 99% of other things, which always struck me as downright weird, "Oh you gotta be 21 to smoke cigarettes but you like pot? Oh cool, let the kids have some!"), but they won't work with people who agree with them on maybe half the issues. I don't care if I'm flamed for this but, it's hard to tell libertarians these days from leftist SJW college freaks when it comes to being part of the 'cool kids club.' Step outta line and down comes the hammer. To be able to see that, you have to step back and have some degree of objectivity, which *most* libertarians absolutely do not possess.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That would never happen. libertarians these days will sooner reach out all the way to the far left because they find something like pot in common and think they're gonna build some super coalition around it (nevermind the left will ban 99% of other things, which always struck me as downright weird, "Oh you gotta be 21 to smoke cigarettes but you like pot? Oh cool, let the kids have some!"), but they won't work with people who agree with them on maybe half the issues. I don't care if I'm flamed for this but, it's hard to tell libertarians these days from leftist SJW college freaks when it comes to being part of the 'cool kids club.' Step outta line and down comes the hammer. To be able to see that, you have to step back and have some degree of objectivity, which *most* libertarians absolutely do not possess.

Sammy is absolutely right but I'm afraid that you are too.
Too many libertarians are rebels for the sake of it and they identify with the left culturally, they allow that to blind them to how evil the left has become and to the improvements that have happened on the right.

 

[pcosmar]

[h=1]Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?[/h]No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.

???
Though I agree with the sentiment,,
I have seen nothing of the "alt right" since the term was coined that I would want to be associated with..

Neo-Wrong is more apt.

I would prefer to see it purged from society and relegated to Failed History along with several other "isms".

 

[Swordsmyth]

???
Though I agree with the sentiment,,
I have seen nothing of the "alt right" since the term was coined that I would want to be associated with..

Neo-Wrong is more apt.

I would prefer to see it purged from society and relegated to Failed History along with several other "isms".

That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.

 

[pcosmar]

That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.

OK,,, I have seen nothing that would alter my statement.

 

[nobody's_hero]

That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.

I'm stuck somewhere between viewing the alt-right in the way D'Souza does in Death of a Nation (they're just more liberals infiltrating the ranks of the GOP and have more in common with dixiecrats than the average republican), versus believing the whole thing is just a made up concept coined by the media to incite a sort of *zinger* effect to play on emotions like the cries of "Racism!" or "Nationalism!" have been utilized, to the point of being utterly meaningless. Look at Europe. Anything in Europe that isn't full blown leftist socialism is considered "Far right!" and TPTB just throw that phrase out over the airwaves as much as possible because they'd rather not face off on the issues and risk being exposed as the true radicals.

 

[TheTexan]

If working within the Republican party hasn't had the desired effect, and we know that the Libertarian party is pointless, maybe we should pursue another option?

What about the Constitution party?

Or maybe we make our own new Freedom party? It may not have as much success at first, but think of all the voting that we would get to do to fill all the new positions for the party. It could be a lot of fun.

 

[TheTexan]

This thread would have been much better with a poll.

 

[oyarde]

It's kind of weird how you lumped in "anti-war" with those other points, like you see that as a negative. Kinda makes me wonder what the "4paul" part of your handle is for. Or maybe you've just decided to quit pretending you belonged here.

There are no anti war dems so it is kind of like a great joke and the head of the libertarians like all that other shit .

 

[oyarde]

I am still set , I voted Oyarde 2016 and will again 2020 .

 

[Cleaner44]

[h=1]Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?[/h]No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.

This I agree with. I think the best plan is to find common ground and work with other branches of the Republican party. Meanwhile the Democrat party can tear itself apart while the socialists fight with the liberals.

 

[TheTexan]

find common ground and work with other branches of the Republican party.

Common ground, you mean hatred of gays and mexicans?

We can work with that.

 

[devil21]

Absolutely, anyone who doesn't fall in line with the great and powerful Swordsmyth is obviously a commie, traitor and in league with the democrats.

Which is funny since Swordsmyth admitted in the Libertarian abortion thread, now banished to Hot Topics, that he wants a theocratic world government run by Mormons. Yep, sounds like libertarian rhetoric to me.

And go where? The LP party is sham with Sarwark in charge. The Mises Caucus is trying to change that, but I don't think they're going to take over the party anytime soon.

That I can agree with, at least at the Chairman position. Sarwark is an establishment plant (a lawyer who went to CIA training ground American University and has ties to globalist think tank Stratfor). Then again, they all are plants at the leadership levels. That's how they keep grassroots from gaining traction...controlled opposition.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which is funny since Swordsmyth admitted in the Libertarian abortion thread, now banished to Hot Topics, that he wants a theocratic world government run by Mormons. Yep, sounds like libertarian rhetoric to me.

That is a lie.
[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION], devil keeps spreading this lie.

 

[devil21]

That is a lie.
[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION], devil keeps spreading this lie.

Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.

And stop crying to mods. It's pathetic, like the 3rd grader that runs to teacher. Your post even reads like the 3rd grader running to teacher. "Teacher, little Jimmy keeps saying my mom is fat. Sob sob."

 

[Swordsmyth]

Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.

And stop crying to mods. It's pathetic, like the 3rd grader that runs to teacher. Your post even reads like the 3rd grader running to teacher. "Teacher, little Jimmy keeps saying my mom is fat. Sob sob."

There is a great difference between believing in the Kingdom of GOD and seeking to implement a theocratic world government by mortal men.

I will continue to report your lie as long as you repeat it.

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION], devil keeps spreading this lie.

Government help me rescue me please save me!

LOL

 

[Swordsmyth]

Government help me rescue me please save me!

LOL

I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

You should remember that.

 

[TheTexan]

I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

You should remember that.

+rep

 

[Superfluous Man]

Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.

Obviously SS is no libertarian. His theme in practically every post is to promote statism. So I don't see a need to argue over something he is so overt about.

But there's nothing the slightest bit anti-libertarian about this doctrine, as you indicated when you brought it up in post 73. Almost everything else he says here is statist, but here you picked the one exceptional thing that isn't.