Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

[Origanalist]

Nope, Rand, Massie and even Amash have criticized Trump without the reaction Amash got by endorsing the treasonous coup.

You do realize this country was founded on treason, right?

 

[phill4paul]

There is a difference between "blind obedience" and joining forces with the likes of Pelosi and Waters and Schiff and Cortez and Omar and all the rest of the neo-bolsheviks in calling for impeachment because "I don't like that fucking guy".

I must spread reputation.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You do realize this country was founded on treason, right?

These traitors are the bad guys, they even are working with the Redcoats.
Think of it as a counter-revolution.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I must spread reputation.

Covered.

 

[Origanalist]

These traitors are the bad guys, they even are working with the Redcoats.
Think of it as a counter-revolution.

Don't tell me what to think junior. You're completely full of shit. So now Amash, one of the few Ron Paul types left is working with the Redcoats. Spew your poison on someone else.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Don't tell me what to think junior. You're completely full of $#@!. So now Amash, one of the few Ron Paul types left is working with the Redcoats. Spew your poison on someone else.

He's working with the scum that are, he may be too ignorant to know it but he is working with the bad guys.

 

[dannno]

They don't; they fill his administration, shill for him on FOX, donate money to him.

Not at all true, not at all convincing.

Fox didn't like him at all.. remember Megan Kelly?

Then one day, they realized.. if they don't at least pay lip service to Trump, they will lose a lot of money from viewership. So they let the other networks do the shilling and pretend to like him. Except for Tucker, he actually mostly likes Trump.

Plenty of devout NeverTrumpers fill his administration. It sucks, but that is what Trump thinks will get the most done and be best for the country, from his understanding of things.

 

[Origanalist]

He's working with the scum that are, he may be too ignorant to know it but he is working with the bad guys.

Oh, well I'm sure if you shared your infinite wisdom with him he would see the light and start sucking Trumps dick.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, well I'm sure if you shared your infinite wisdom with him he would see the light and start sucking Trumps dick.

I think he's too busy making out with Pelosi and Brennan to listen.

 

[Origanalist]

I think he's too busy making out with Pelosi and Brennan to listen.

Absolutely, anyone who doesn't fall in line with the great and powerful Swordsmyth is obviously a commie, traitor and in league with the democrats.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Absolutely, anyone who doesn't fall in line with the great and powerful Swordsmyth is obviously a commie, traitor and in league with the democrats.

I didn't choose his companions, he did.

The entire sham investigation has been illegal and treasonous all along and it has been known to be for quite some time, the participants are all green scum and Amash's pitiful attempt to justify the call for impeachment can't have sounded plausible even to him.

You can't change the facts just because you don't want him to be wrong.

 

[revgen]

And go where? The LP party is sham with Sarwark in charge. The Mises Caucus is trying to change that, but I don't think they're going to take over the party anytime soon.

 

[euphemia]

And go where? The LP party is sham with Sarwark in charge. The Mises Caucus is trying to change that, but I don't think they're going to take over the party anytime soon.

The Constitution Party, where they should have been all along.

 

[oyarde]

Just my opinion but the libertarian party has never been more irrelevant than it is now . It will also get its largest ever drop in votes this coming presidential election I think . I expect money and ballot access to start drying up in the future . So as far as the Op I do not even consider them significant any longer . The time for it has come and passed . its all bernie , biden & trump now .The Gop needs anything they can get and there will never be any liberty in the dem party so pick your poison . Libertarians have nobody to blame . It was a tough task and they made the least of it .

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And RINO/neocon/nevertrumpers hate Trump because.............................................

They don't; they fill his administration, shill for him on FOX, donate money to him.

There is this conspiracy hypothesis that Trump is the secret, 100% establishment backed shill. While willing to entertain that hypothesis, I see no evidence of that being true.

What I see is a candidate and POTUS that the leftist establishment media supported in the primary because they were throwing a bomb into the GOP primary. They wanted maximum destruction, and it worked better than they could have anticipated, the entire GOP field was decimated. Then, it was time to for them to smear Trump non-stop, and in their eyes, easily drive Hillary to victory. But the non-stop attacks had the opposite effect. They could not create the reality they wanted, no matter how hard they smeared and produced phony polls. Voters just got mad at the media, as the media revealed themselves as biased, deceptive, shameless propagandists.

For the neoconservatives, they fought Trump tooth and nail right from the start. Cruz was their last hope after Jeb went down hard. Then after the primary, they switched to neutral or the Hillary camp, Bill Kristol being a prime example.

After elected, Trump is sitting there with a few advisors, with no idea who to appoint. The establishment had many suggestions for him, and slowly took over. Trump, being naive and easily manipulated, ended up with neoconservatives, who are experts at infiltration and manipulation.

The establishment still hates him, but he has become a somewhat a useful idiot for the neoconservatives. But they do not like that Trump is not consistent or reliable. They can get him to say something one day, and he may say the opposite the next day. He may even over-ride them at crucial moments. Not what the establishment or neoconservatives like in a front man.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There is a difference between "blind obedience" and joining forces with the likes of Pelosi and Waters and Schiff and Cortez and Omar and all the rest of the neo-bolsheviks in calling for impeachment because "I don't like that fucking guy".

Some say it is best to stick to issues and principles, instead of getting personal and engaging in personality conflicts. It is a bit hard to identify the liberty issue or principal at play in joining with the left and calling for impeachment under the Russia collusion and Mueller Report circumstances. It seems more personal.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

No, it's time for neocons swamp / neocons funded Dems turned 'conservatives' to leave GOP.



There is high risk that current GOP-MAGA wing's funding will vanish in 2020 following recent UK blunder. Without funding, MAGA movement won't survive post 2020.
GOP/Libertarians need to have alternative leadership ready to step in 2020 race.


2020 would be a Dem-Lite vs Dem election unless conservatives/libertarians got in the race




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[Origanalist]

The Constitution Party, where they should have been all along.

I have to agree with you.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

The Constitution Party, where they should have been all along.

Mission Statement

The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions.

https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/seven-principles/

https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/twelve-key-issues/

https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/three-pillars/

worth a look.

 

[revgen]

The Constitution Party, despite it's name, doesn't exactly follow the constitution exactly.

It has decided that the 1st amendment doesn't cover "Pornography and Obscenity". It calls on the Federal Government to enforce "obscenity laws". Nowhere in the Constitution or the 1st amendment are the words "obscenity" or "pornography" mentioned. The 1st amendment makes it clear that the freedom of the press cannot be infringed. Free speech is about protecting speech and expression you don't like. Not speech and expression that you approve of.

I'll have to look at the platform more. Besides the "pornography and obscenity" nonsense, they do appear to support the 10th amendment and acknowledge that issues like marriage and the "drug war" are not powers designated to the Federal Government.