TIME Claims Elite Cabal Conspired To Stop Trump, Manipulating Laws And News

[TheTexan]

Once liberty is lost, it's typically gone forever.

Yup.

It can only be reclaimed by the collapse of the state, secession, or nullification.

 

[jmdrake]

That's not what I asked. Regardless, I find myself less cavalier about someone trying to steal my liberties. Politics ain't the MLB. Real harm to individuals and potentially irreversible damage to society is done by individuals and groups who just throw money at the state.



Fair enough. You don't take it personally when people want to harm you or try to destroy what you stand for. I do. That's the difference.



I didn't start out with a point. I was just curious about your position. Which is why I asked a question instead of typing an opinion column. This far in the discussion, I have my answer. You think the loss of liberties and freedoms can simply be reversed if enough people want it. You also assume enough people would want them reversed. I don't share those assumptions. Once liberty is lost, it's typically gone forever.

Okay. You think you know my position. I'm not sure you do. But I certainly have no idea of what you are getting at.

1) Do you think anything in the Time magazine article violates current law? If so please tell me what current, post Citizens United, law.

2) If a hypothetical billionaire wanted to donate his entire fortune to reversing lost liberties would you be against THAT? (As some have pointed out a lot of money has been spent on decriminalizing marijuana).

Now here's my real position. Things are never so bad that they can't get worse. And some well meaning, but ill informed people, come up with "quick fix" proposals that frankly will make things worse. Case in point Section 230 repeal, something that Joe Biden just came out IN FAVOR of doing. I don't believe that restricting the ability of people to use their own money to advocate for or against positions they feel passionate about will do anything but cause more harm. That's the difference between us.

 

[dannno]

Did anyone actually read the article? They spun the living snot out of it. The narrative is, they didn't steal, they prevented a theft.

Some of you are reacting like there was an overt admission that the will of the people was subverted. This is a narrative. It's a spin job slick enough to make Swordshyll green with envy.

It's 2021. No one reads the source. They watch reactions to reactions to tweets about tweets about the source.

Uhh, the video I posted in the OP is of Tim Pool reading the actual article. I think we understand the nuances quite well, but thanks for your guys' valuable input

 

[acptulsa]

Uhh, the video I posted in the OP is of Tim Pool reading the actual article. I think we understand the nuances quite well, but thanks for your guys' valuable input

And did he read you all of it?

What am I asking you for? You don't know.

And is it slick enough to fool the average person who can't or won't read between the lines, when they read it with no one stopping to de-spin and re-spin every sentence?

What am I asking you for? You don't know.

 

[Working Poor]

Remember back in 2016 when TIME put out a front page about Hillary Madam President? Personally I think Hillary is behind it all. She is so vile and vindictive and what was happening to Trump while in office just seems like a woman's touch. Nothing is more evil than an evil woman. I know Trump wasn't all that great but, damn they sure did work against him the whole time he was in office.

The way the republicans took a backseat to it all is especially terrible.. I think I would rather vote the all the republicans out and replace them with democrats just to punish the hell out of the republicans for not standing up for the people who supposedly voted them into office. I know that there will still be people who will vote republican just because they believe in the right left thing but it is such a farce that it is just unbelievable. I will give it to Rand he did try to educate the people the bad think is that he had almost no influence over McConnell and other rhinos.

 

[The Northbreather]

I can't believe they actually flat out admitted this. The truth about this election was always going to come out, I just thought we'd have to wait a few decades down the line.

It’s called “revelation of the method”.

 

[acptulsa]

The way the republicans took a backseat to it all is especially terrible.. I think I would rather vote the all the republicans out and replace them with democrats just to punish the hell out of the republicans for not standing up for the people who supposedly voted them into office. I know that there will still be people who will vote republican just because they believe in the right left thing but it is such a farce that it is just unbelievable. I will give it to Rand he did try to educate the people the bad think is that he had almost no influence over McConnell and other rhinos.

There's a lot to be said for ripping the mask off the one party system and letting people see it for what it is. It amazes me that some of the most aware and cynical people here still expect Republican politicians to show some signs of being conservative.

One of these facade parties needs to die so people can see a new one needs to be built. The GOP is the one farthest from doing what its constituents want. But its constituents are the ones most likely to cling to what is, no matter what kind of monster it has become.

 

[Ender]

There's a lot to be said for ripping the mask off the one party system and letting people see it for what it is. It amazes me that some of the most aware and cynical people here still expect Republican politicians to show some signs of being conservative.

One of these facade parties needs to die so people can see a new one needs to be built. The GOP is the one farthest from doing what its constituents want. But its constituents are the ones most likely to cling to what is, no matter what kind of monster it has become.

^^^THIS^^^

 

[dannno]

And did he read you all of it?

What am I asking you for? You don't know.

And is it slick enough to fool the average person who can't or won't read between the lines, when they read it with no one stopping to de-spin and re-spin every sentence?

What am I asking you for? You don't know.

Yes, he did, stop looking like a fool, we understand the nuance. It was all discussed at length in the video. You can stop pretending you are smarter than everybody now.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, he did, stop looking like a fool, we understand the nuance. It was all discussed at length in the video. You can stop pretending you are smarter than everybody now.

I'm a fool for pointing out that a great many people would take the article at face value? And all the people who were reacting like the lid was blown off the election fraud for all to see and none to deny aren't fools?

You can't pretend intelligence. It takes it to show it.

But chill. I don't care enough to listen to the guy while looking at the article to see if he read it all. Your guess can stand as fact today, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dannno]

I'm a fool for pointing out that a great many people would take the article at face value? And all the people who were reacting like the lid was blown off the election fraud for all to see and none to deny aren't fools?

You can't pretend intelligence. It takes it to show it.

But chill. I don't care enough to listen to the guy while looking at the article to see if he read it all. Your guess can stand as fact today, as far as I'm concerned.

Obviously you haven't watched the video, because you still don't understand what the discussion is about. You are a professional derailer.

 

[acptulsa]

I can't believe they actually flat out admitted this. The truth about this election was always going to come out, I just thought we'd have to wait a few decades down the line.

Well when you control 100% of the narrative, why not brag? Who is going to challenge or refute you?

Good to see people finally discovering the truth about the club rather than dismiss it simply as a wild conspiracy theory. It is a shame it took a rigged election to wake people up to how really bad it is.

It is worse than what you are being told. Whatever content you are consuming that has a national audience is controlled and cannot be trusted. The hosts - actors would not have a job they are in if they were not part of the club or were known that they would play ball in advance.

If they are giving away information they are doing it for a reason - to play both sides and/or to show basically to not $#@! with them.

More evidence that the election was stolen from Trump.

I'm waiting for the Marxists to use their mental gymnastics to argue that a admitted conspiracy is still a conspiracy.

They dont say this kind of $#@! without an Agenda.

Think about what they are saying, and how people are "expected" to react. If they validate a bunch of people that are already pissed off, they are angering them EVEN FURTHER. This goes along PERFECTLY with everything else that they are TRYING to do, which is to INCITE VIOLENCE. If lies dont work, then they weaponize Truth, so they have their EXCUSE FOR WAR ON AMERICANS.

What ever it takes to get people killing each other. That is the REAL GOAL. Dont fall for it.

ARTICLE IS INCITING VIOLENCE.

Please make sure everyone understands this before falling for it.

By then everyone is going to believe the same thing anyway. Where's the fun in bragging then?

That would be like bragging about winning a football game when the other team didn't even show up. Right now it's at least bragging about winning the football game when the other team isn't allowed to touch the ball.

Executive summary: Freight-train loads of counterfeit money was printed by the global central banking syndicate (aka the finance department of the Deep State) and funnelled through Soros+ to his vast network of "democratic" activist groups which used every trick in the book (and invented entirely new tricks) to "secure the proper outcome" of the 2020 election.

I don't think pissing people off is what they want. I think it's more of an unintended side effect.

They have an agenda that they must pursue at any cost. If some crazy right-wingers get pissed off in the process, well I guess that happens, but it's not their intent.

Is it still a conspiracy theory if its printed in TIME ?

Is it still a conspiracy theory if it's openly admitted?

I was reacting to the comments above. I was participating in a conversation.

Obviously you haven't watched the video, because you still don't understand what the discussion is about. You are a professional derailer.

If anyone needs to see the video, it's the people I quoted above. I don't need Tim Poole to do my thinking for me. I read the article.

As for derailments, you're the train wreck making an issue of my single post pointing out the obvious.

 

[dannno]

I was reacting to the comments above. I was participating in a conversation.



If anyone needs to see the video, it's the people I quoted above. I don't need Tim Poole to do my thinking for me. I read the article.

As for derailments, you're the train wreck making an issue of my single post pointing out the obvious.

I agree with all of those posts, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. They probably watched the video. And read the article. Did you even read the article? Or just a couple sentences?

 

[acptulsa]

I agree with all of those posts, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. They probably watched the video.

I don't find anything wrong with them either, except they all express a very unrealistic expectation of how people would react to that particular article, seemingly because they didn't read it.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't find anything wrong with them either, except they all express a very unrealistic expectation of how people would react to that particular article, seemingly because they didn't read it.

I have zero expectation that leftists would react to the article the same way we did.

They are of course incapable of independent thought.

 

[acptulsa]

I have zero expectation that leftists would react to the article the same way we did.

They are of course incapable of independent thought.

Define "leftist". What percentage of the population do these leftists incapable of independent thought represent? Are they really numerous enough to worry about?

 

[TheTexan]

Define "leftist". What percentage of the population do these leftists incapable of independent thought represent? Are they really numerous enough to worry about?

In the context of the way I've been using the word recently, "leftist" would generally mean, someone who believes several of these things:
1) There was Russian collusion
2) Hunter laptop story was Russian disinformation
3) Election fraud is a conspiracy theory
4) "the election was stolen" is inciteful speech
5) "find the votes" means fraudulently overturn the election
6) Capitol rioters are domestic terrorists

The above would generally be the "brainwashed leftists". The leftists who have been brainwashed into believing every single word that comes out of the liberal media, and pretty much by default support the liberal agenda.

Then of course you have the "principled lefitsts". These people can sometimes see through the bullshit of the media, and don't necessarily buy the above items. But they 100% support the liberal / communist / marxist agenda.


Of the entire US, I would say probably 30-40% fall into the "brainwashed leftist" category. An additional 10% fall into the "principled leftist" category.

So maybe 40-50% of the country are "leftist"

 

[Anti Globalist]

"Why are they confessing?"

"They're not confessing, they're bragging."

- The Big Short

 

[acptulsa]

"Why are they confessing?"

"They're not confessing, they're bragging."

- The Big Short

A fair amount of bragging, and a hell of a lot of spinning.

 

[Occam's Banana]

There's a lot to be said for ripping the mask off the one party system and letting people see it for what it is. It amazes me that some of the most aware and cynical people here still expect Republican politicians to show some signs of being conservative.

One of these facade parties needs to die so people can see a new one needs to be built. The GOP is the one farthest from doing what its constituents want. But its constituents are the ones most likely to cling to what is, no matter what kind of monster it has become.

The facades certainly need to die, but any new party formed under the aegis of the current system will, to the extent that it is successful, simply be (or become) an element of that system. That is, it would merely be (or become) another facade. [1]

Separation, secession and disintegration are what is needed. ("When in the Course of human events," and all that ...)



[1] Those pinning their hopes on things like a regnant Libertarian party or some sort of Trump-inspired populist party should be careful what they wish for. It seems to me the best and most effective way to thoroughly neuter them would be for them to achieve "success" as the system identifies and measures it. The LP et al. should be fire-breathing fanners of the flames of discontent, not seekers after the respect of, acceptance from or "success" within the system (which would certainly be a death warrant for them as any kind of agents of real, substantive change).