Three Crucial Senate Races For The Liberty Movement

[TaftFan]

http://libertycircle.blogspot.com/2013/08/three-crucial-senate-races-for-liberty.html

 

[compromise]

I don't think Kingston is that bad. He voted for the Patriot Act a few times, but he's also voted against it a few times. He opposes it currently. I'd prefer him over Gingrey.

 

[mad cow]

Good article,thanks for posting.
Greg Brannon,Lee Bright,Paul Broun.Three winnable seats that would greatly change the face of the Senate in our favor,well worth our time,money and support.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

...but we need to unite the strongest and purest candidate, and that is Lee Bright.

That's where you lost me. I mean, people will vote for Cash or Mace if they want to. Personally, I'm interested to see where Mace goes. Plus, saying 'we need to unite' (I'm assuming 'behind' belongs in there?) is almost similar to last year at Tampa with the majority of the GOP saying we need to unite behind Romney for President.

 

[Smart3]

As long as our vote exceeds 50.1% we're good.

 

[MichaelDavis]

We do not need to unite behind one candidate, at least not yet. The Bright/Cash/Mace vote total simply needs to be higher than Graham's. Even if the results are Graham 49%, Bright 18%, Mace 17%, and Cash 16%, there will still be a runoff. If all of the liberty voters can unite behind the second place finisher, we can defeat Graham. The Texas Senate race of 2012 should be used as a model. After the inital primary, Dewhurst received 45% of the vote while Cruz only recieved 34%. In the runoff, Cruz was able to unify the anti-Dewhurst vote and won.

 

[lib3rtarian]

Nice summary of all 3 races.

 

[TheTyke]

Cool!

 

[Hyperion]

Why aren't we more enthused about Pat McGeehan? It seems like that would be a very winnable race for us if the resources become available.

 

[TaftFan]

Why aren't we more enthused about Pat McGeehan? It seems like that would be a very winnable race for us if the resources become available.

I guess because #1, we know he understands the monetary system but it is unclear on the rest, #2 so far he has had a very weak campaign. This could all change if PACs get involved.

 

[mosquitobite]

That's where you lost me. I mean, people will vote for Cash or Mace if they want to. Personally, I'm interested to see where Mace goes. Plus, saying 'we need to unite' (I'm assuming 'behind' belongs in there?) is almost similar to last year at Tampa with the majority of the GOP saying we need to unite behind Romney for President.

Why are we so willing to take this woman's word that she is a liberty candidate? I have asked, and yet to receive, any proof of her liberty credentials. Lee Bright, OTOH has been in office and has a record to review.

This is the US Senate. It matters. (just look at "tea partier" Rubio!)

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Why are we so willing to take this woman's word that she is a liberty candidate? I have asked, and yet to receive, any proof of her liberty credentials. Lee Bright, OTOH has been in office and has a record to review.

This is the US Senate. It matters. (just look at "tea partier" Rubio!)

She hasn't held office prior to running- as have other folks who are even in the U.S. Senate right now. Hell, Rand Paul had no prior political experience when he ran in 2010. Were people asking to see his liberty credentials? Probably. Did people just assume he was based on him being Ron Paul's son? I hope not, but probably. She's spoken to an RLC down there and has hammered Graham's record. I don't think she'd even run against Graham or do things like attend Paul's recent event in South Carolina if she didn't have some liberty in her. Besides, politicians can say one thing and do another. Bright can have credentials then completely flip if he gets into the Senate and just be Graham 2.0. Probably not, but that's what I'm talking about. We'll just have to see.

 

[MichaelDavis]

She hasn't held office prior to running- as have other folks who are even in the U.S. Senate right now. Hell, Rand Paul had no prior political experience when he ran in 2010. Were people asking to see his liberty credentials? Probably. Did people just assume he was based on him being Ron Paul's son? I hope not, but probably. She's spoken to an RLC down there and has hammered Graham's record. I don't think she'd even run against Graham or do things like attend Paul's recent event in South Carolina if she didn't have some liberty in her. Besides, politicians can say one thing and do another. Bright can have credentials then completely flip if he gets into the Senate and just be Graham 2.0. Probably not, but that's what I'm talking about. We'll just have to see.

Sarah Palin has also been supporting Rand Paul in recent days. She also happens to be a Tea Party neo-conservative who supports him because she hates "the establishment" and "the lame street media". There is no guarantee that Mace is a liberty candiadate. Not only does she not have a record, but she has also given no indication that she is a libertarian. If both candidates are equal, I am going to support the candidate with the sterling voting record.

 

[mosquitobite]

Sarah Palin has also been supporting Rand Paul in recent days. She also happens to be a Tea Party neo-conservative who supports him because she hates "the establishment" and "the lame street media". There is no guarantee that Mace is a liberty candiadate. Not only does she not have a record, but she has also given no indication that she is a libertarian. If both candidates are equal, I am going to support the candidate with the sterling voting record.

Exactly.

I don't trust the establishment not to be infiltrating.

See the thing is, I have been fooled in the past by pretty campaign rhetoric. I've yet to hear from anyone why she is better than Bright. Most say "because she is a woman"(or some variation) or because of her Citadel background. Sorry but as a female, I could give two poops about which gender someone is, I just want a liberty candidate. Period. And her citadel background actually makes me more nervous than reassured.

Do we want a "liberty minded" Rubio that the establishment suckered us into supporting because they saw Graham's chances dropping by the day?

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Sarah Palin has also been supporting Rand Paul in recent days. She also happens to be a Tea Party neo-conservative who supports him because she hates "the establishment" and "the lame street media". There is no guarantee that Mace is a liberty candiadate. Not only does she not have a record, but she has also given no indication that she is a libertarian. If both candidates are equal, I am going to support the candidate with the sterling voting record.

Sarah Palin will also say and/or do anything to keep herself in the public light after the damage that both the media and herself did during the 2008 election. Case in point- her speculating that she'd run for Senate. Again, Rand Paul didn't have a record before he ran, either.

 

[mosquitobite]

Sarah Palin will also say and/or do anything to keep herself in the public light after the damage that both the media and herself did during the 2008 election. Case in point- her speculating that she'd run for Senate. Again, Rand Paul didn't have a record before he ran, either.

But he had the Paul name. He also had the benefit of running before TPTB started running fake candidates under the liberty/tea party banner. That's not the case now in 2013.

What does Mace have above and beyond Bright?

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

But he had the Paul name. He also had the benefit of running before TPTB started running fake candidates under the liberty/tea party banner. That's not the case now in 2013.

What does Mace have above and beyond Bright?

A headstart on declaring, for one. Though to be honest, given this endless guessing game between Mace, Bright, Tom Davis when people thought he'd run and Richard Cash, I don't really care who wins as long as it isn't Graham. Cash does not seem terrible, but more folks seem to jump onto either the Bright or Mace ship.

Also, why use name recognition as a reason? If we're going to talk nepotism, we may as well say Clinton can run in 2016 because she has the Clinton name when Bill Clinton is still liked by many. Or Jeb Bush because he has the Bush name. Or heck, if we want to be relevant, Liz Cheney has the 'Cheney' name. Yes, record-wise, not the best examples, but still along the same lines of 'But he had the Paul name.'

 

[mosquitobite]

A headstart on declaring, for one. Though to be honest, given this endless guessing game between Mace, Bright, Tom Davis when people thought he'd run and Richard Cash, I don't really care who wins as long as it isn't Graham. Cash does not seem terrible, but more folks seem to jump onto either the Bright or Mace ship.

Also, why use name recognition as a reason? If we're going to talk nepotism, we may as well say Clinton can run in 2016 because she has the Clinton name when Bill Clinton is still liked by many. Or Jeb Bush because he has the Bush name. Or heck, if we want to be relevant, Liz Cheney has the 'Cheney' name. Yes, record-wise, not the best examples, but still along the same lines of 'But he had the Paul name.'

If I recall she announced like ONE day before Bright but it had been assumed Bright was running.

Still no one to date has given me a reason to support her over Bright. He has the record, she doesn't. She may be a fine lady but this Hoosier's money has gone to Bright. I don't send it out willy nilly at this point. Fool me once...

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Let's be fair- they were both doing the round and round long enough. It's no accident or coincidence that they announced within the same time frame. I'll wait for the debates.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Mace is clearly trying to paint herself as an addition to Rand, Ted and Mike as does Bright. The two of them will appeal to different types of similar minds and they both will have to improve their game which will decide who takes on Graham and who we flood donations to like we're taking on Goliath himself. I like both candidates and each has their benefits but I will ultimately support the person who proves strongest against Graham and we have until next June I think to see who polishes their self up to do the job. Even if you're uncertain about a candidate, there's plenty of time for them to introduce themselves to you and earn your support. Frankly, we're all extras in this race but it's up to them to make the rounds to local parties and conservative groups to give them the edge in the primary.