Those Against VP Spot

[roversaurus]

Let's just make sure we have delegates... and we better make damn sure Ron doesn't just get a lame speaking platform at the convention. We need to make deals and get something TANGIBLE form this. Either a VP slot of a person of our choice or make a deal with our enemies for the pledge of their delegates.

Agreed. A speaking slot is a 25? million dollar turd. I'd rather he not go if that's all he gets. Not going would speak louder and be heard by more people. BUT, VP is worth it. Particularly because we are talking about RON PAUL as VP. Wouldn't it be nice to have a principled, honest man at the highest level of government?

When the next bank bailout comes along... sure Romney will support it ... but what will VP Ron Paul do and say? Do you think he could get some media attention by going AGAINST his President? And ... there is nothing Romney could do about. THAT is why Ron Paul would be a good VP ... Rand? I'm not certain he has the moral character to stand up like that.

Ron as VP would be huge ... That's why the only way he would get the nod is if WE forced Romney to give it to him.

 

[jolynna]

I'll I always go with the best possible option, so yes to this option.

By advocating that Ron Paul encourage people to vote for Romney by adding his "good name" to the ballot, you ignore that Mitt Romney is a liar. And that Romney has, prior to being elected, trashed the Oath of Office and the Constitution.

Mitt Romney on the issues: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-POLL-ADDED&p=4253524&viewfull=1#post4253524

Jesus told parables...please think about this one. It is a true story:

In a German town, railroad tracks ran behind the church. An eyewitness stated:

Week after week the whistle would blow. We dreaded the sounds of those wheels because we knew that we would hear the cries of the Jews en route to a death camp. Their screams tormented us.

We knew the train was coming and when we heard the whistle blow we began singing hymns. By the time the train came past our church, we were singing at the top of our voices. If we heard the screams we sang more loudly and soon we heard them no more.

Years have passed and no one talks about it now, but I still hear that train whistle in my sleep.

Is lying to get elected acceptable? Even if the candidates intention is to get elected in order to do good works?

Is there really any power in one's intentions anyway?

Have you ever noticed how we judge the "bad guys" by their actions and the "good guys" by their intentions?

Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

Would TRUTH be a starting point for telling the difference? What is our nation's course? Do you believe that one can determine a probable destination by examining the direction in which one is traveling? If so, where are we headed?


Can you hear the whistle and the wheels as the train comes down the track?

HOW LOUDLY ARE YOU SINGING?

From: http://www.amazon.com/How-You-Kill-...8355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331168216&sr=8-1 (I wish I could write with Andrew's power. This book has made me rethink every temptation I've ever had to fib.)

The only way we have to know a person who aspires to lead us is to listen to what he says and watch what he does. I give Romney credit for being open about his worst intentions. But, knowing those intentions in advance, Ron Paul cannot, in any way, endorse Mitt Romney.

In my opinion.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Gosh, this is such a hard decision to me.

If it means some sort of liberty minded concessions on Romney's part, then I could possibly support it, but it'd be hard.

We are at a scary point right now in this country. I'd be willing to take anything to salvage a little something before it's too late.

 

[clint4liberty]

Hope about Ron Paul receiving a major cabinet position and Rand Paul getting the VP slot. I think this is a reasonable and viable option. Ron Paul looks like he is going to receive between 2 to 3 million this time around versus 1.2 million.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Agreed. A speaking slot is a 25? million dollar turd. I'd rather he not go if that's all he gets. Not going would speak louder and be heard by more people. BUT, VP is worth it. Particularly because we are talking about RON PAUL as VP. Wouldn't it be nice to have a principled, honest man at the highest level of government?

When the next bank bailout comes along... sure Romney will support it ... but what will VP Ron Paul do and say? Do you think he could get some media attention by going AGAINST his President? And ... there is nothing Romney could do about. THAT is why Ron Paul would be a good VP ... Rand? I'm not certain he has the moral character to stand up like that.

Ron as VP would be huge ... That's why the only way he would get the nod is if WE forced Romney to give it to him.

I dont think Ron would get the VP position and I dont think people will like Ron being VP under some other GOP assclown (as evident thus far). People wont vote for such a ticket, especially hardcore supporters and NOBP. The best thing we can do is Ron Paul picks someone to be VP at the convention with our delegate powers. That way... Ron won't look like a sell-out and we can have someone who might be liberty friendly as VP. Also, Ron can endorse the VP, but not the Presidential nominee lol. This is in the event we don't make it.

 

[Marky]

A vote for Romney is a vote for more wars, more debt, and more bailouts, with or without one of the Pauls.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

A vote for Romney is a vote for more wars, more debt, and more bailouts, with or without one of the Pauls.

Much better than Obama

 

[pawlpawl]

Personally, I'm in this for one thing. A Ron Paul presidency.


Being VP would do little to nothing, it's a spot they would offer if they knew it was they're only realistic chance of getting our youth vote. Then if RP took the spot, he'd be hushed into the back and Romney would run his show.

Personally, I don't care for that idea. Im a Ron Paul for President supporter from Day 1 to Inauguration day.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Much better than Obama

This country is headed in the same direction if Romney or Obama is POTUS and that direction is down.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

This country is headed in the same direction if Romney or Obama is POTUS and that direction is down.

Yeah, and Obama is much faster.

Even RP could not turn the country around.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Yeah, and Obama is much faster.
Even RP could not turn the country around.

Why are you here then?

 

[J_White]

I would be ok with Dr.Paul taking a VP slot or some such thing with the power to do something.
if he can get the promise to have a full Fed audit and try to abolish it in the 4 yrs, i would be ok.
without the Fed, the govt wont be able to spend that much, it is one core part of the problem.

but i doubt it would come to that. how much longer will Santorum remain and keep fighting Romney ?
but then he has been surprisingly strong till now so who knows.

as VP Ron Paul would get more credibility and Libertarian ideas would enter the mainstream,
for the general public, think in 5 yrs, would u rather remember Ron Paul as an "also ran" in the Presidential race, or a VP ? which seems more credible.
but i also know he wont compromise on his views.

as for Rand, lets leave him out of this mess that the GOP is making for itself.
if they think Romney or Santorum or even Romney/Santorum can win against Obama, keep dreaming !!
they are not getting the independent vote.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Why are you here then?

Because he could slow the destruction down substantially, but we would need multiple administrations to undo the damage.

 

[J_White]

u didnt mean worse, when u said better, did u ?
a typical goldman Sachs multi millionaire candidate like Romney is better than Obama ?
the guy who promises more wars and the world's strongest military (i thought we already were the strongest) - means more profit for the MIC, is better than Obama ?
the guy who would favor bailouts and sign the NDAA, is better than Obama ?

Much better than Obama

 

[jcarcinogen]

If Ron Paul isn't the nominee, let the GOP run against Obama WITHOUT any Paul influence. They will lose. So, RP as a VP or even as a third P just gives them a scapegoat in Paul when they lose. By NOT being a VP or running against them, Paul's message remains pure without the 'unpure' bullshit that they will spew at him if they get a chance.

 

[PhineasFinn]

Whereas there has been specualtion that both Romney and Paul are close friends, I still have a hard time believing that Romney would even consider Paul as a VP candidate. The only possible reason Romney would offer the part to Paul is because he BADLY wants the youth vote. First, if Paul won't even accept Secret Service protection because he considers it a waste of our tax dollars, what makes anyone think he would partner with a Neoconservative like Romney? Yes, Paul might be VP but unlike Cheney, Paul wouldn't abuse his power as a VP like Cheney did. Cheney was an audacious VP who declared his office seperate from the Executive Branch...

Romney may salivate at the idea of having us, The Ron Paul Movement, vote for him over Obama. However, IF Paul accepted the position, the movement would be divided and splinter. Ron Paul will not settle for Vice President.

As an incumbent president facing a shattered party like the GOP in this upcoming election, Obama won't have to do much to win again. I read somewhere recently the perfect description of the GOP: "While Santorum, Romney and Gingrich are rearranging the chairs on the Titanic that is the GOP, Paul is the only one yelling that the entire ship is sinking."

It is likely that Romney will get the nomination. It is also likely that Santorum and Gingrich will either be tapped to be involved in a Romney admninistration or get a job on Fox News. Regardless, it is very true that if the GOP does not nominate Paul for the presidency, the GOP will not acheive the Executive Branch for the next 50 years. That's my educated guess.

 

[jolynna]

Yeah, and Obama is much faster.

Even RP could not turn the country around.

Better to be remembered as the voice of reason and integrity THAN to have had an association with the ex-wall-street ceo POTUS, that the public would hold responsible for any financial "difficulty" ahead.

Especially if Romney drags the U.S. into a war with Iran. Even without an Iranian war, Romney's proposed military budget is 61 percent higher than Barack Obama’s. http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/recalculating-romneys-four-percent-gimmick/ Although, should Romney BE elected, war with Iran is a DONE DEAL.

Can't leave out the increased domestic military policing: Romney:“As president, I will empower all relevant military, intelligence, and homeland security agencies with the appropriate legal authority...to dismantle terrorist groups and prevent terrorist attacks on our homeland and on targets abroad.” http://www.mittromney.com/sites/defa...itePaper_0.pdf

The taint to Ron Paul would be irrevocable. He can't, in any way, endorse a liar who blatantly advocates trashing the Oath of Office and the Constitution.

imo

 

[jolynna]

Should Ron Paul, with an endorsement, encourage votes for Romney, Ron Paul would hold some responsibility for whatever disastrous results come about should Romney get elected.

Consider that Romney wants to increase military spending 61% over what Obama projects spending--although our nation's military is larger than the 18 next largest armies COMBINED.

We also have a rapidly aging population. Which means something has got to give. With Romney's priority being "American Exceptionalism" and military strength...it's not looking good for grandma and grandpa--the Romneycare "death panels" will be unable to keep up. http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2011...eycare-death-panels-and-less-freedom-for-all/

As I've said over and over, it would be better to be remembered as the voice of reason people SHOULD have listened to, than to be associated with ANY of this mess.

imo

 

[j3nn]

I'd never forgive Ron Paul for selling out. I'd never forgive myself for voting for someone like Romney again in my life when I know better now.

I don't believe Ron Paul would accept such a position; he's not like Hillary. I just have a hard time seeing him endorse Romney. But I don't know him personally and stranger things have happened...

I couldn't do it. It saddens me to even consider. I just hope he will run third party even if it's a long shot. If we want him to win, we have to chip in because as far as I know, he doesn't take dirty donations. So it's up to us to donate and spread the word and vote.

 

[jwhitmore]

How much influence does Joe Biden have as VP? Also, I can't support it because they are nothing alike, Romney is a warmonger who likes the Fed and thinks they're doing a great job. I guess what I'm saying is that no matter who is VP if the POTUS isn't Ron then we are ****** even if it is Rand.

But that is because of Joe Biden, not because of the position. A good VP can get much more out of it. Al Gore did quite a lot as VP. Cheney obviously, and George H.W. Bush did as well. Just because Obama and GHWB chose weak men as their VPs does not mean the position itself is a bad thing.