Thomas Woods Talks How Rand Can Get Back in the Race

[r3volution 3.0]

Lol Ron ran a terrible campaign. The only reason he seemed to be better than Rand is because of his demeanor and the fact that he was an old white minarchist

Well, that may be a bit harsh, but you're certainly right that Rand is running a better campaign - if the goal (as it must be) is to actually win.

...not to compare us to porcine communists eek, but Ron is like old Major, while Rand is Napoleon.

Inspiration v. Action

 

[Vanguard101]

Well, that may be a bit harsh, but you're certainly right that Rand is running a better campaign - if the goal (as it must be) is to actually win.

...not to compare us to porcine communists eek, but Ron is like old Major, while Rand is Napoleon.

Inspiration v. Action

Lew Rockwell was on the campaign. Lol everything Ron did besides the debate was stupid.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Isn't Carson, Huckabee and Trump in front of him nationally? Do you realize how bad a signal this is? None of them are active politicians, yet they are all ahead of Rand.

And Cruz is sitting on a huge warchest for his campaign. Rand might have succeeded in turning off the libertarian base that raised 40+ million for his dad. It's hard to see how Rand even raises half that figure at this point.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I completely agree with this assessment. Wead was downright terrible on Deace's program, and may have been even worse in selling Ron to Deace and his listeners. Woods was masterful in his interview. Woods can pitch Ron not only in anti-state terms, but also in terms that evangelicals and other conservatives can understand. And he does it while being personable.

Here's how you make the case for Ron in Iowa.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Yep, that's a way to lose an election. Telling voters that they are wrong and need to change their worldview is a great strategy


The "education" strategy isn't.

Educating people about the nuance of Ron's positions is exactly how you do win. Allowing the misinformation and kooky sentiment to linger isn't. You guys didn't win squat in Iowa so get off your high horse already.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

^^^That's 24 minutes long, which means it already failed.

The voters have the attention span of a gnat.

Shorten that to 30 seconds, throw in some scary/exciting graphics/music, delete all words unknown to a 4th grader, and you've got a plausible campaign ad.

 

[DisneyFan]

I do not see how being more like Ron is a winning move.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

^^^That's 24 minutes long, which means it already failed.

The voters have the attention span of a gnat.

Shorten that to 30 seconds, throw in some scary/exciting graphics/music, delete all words unknown to a 4th grader, and you've got a plausible campaign ad.

You don't understand Iowa voters. And that was an interview with one of the most popular and influential radio people in the state.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

You don't understand Iowa voters.

It's the same all over.

And that was an interview with one of the most popular and influential radio people in the state.

Yes, I know.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I do not see how being more like Ron is a winning move.

It's too late at this juncture really. There was an opportunity for Rand to build upon the 20% base in Iowa and 30% base in NH, as well as the 40 million raised by Ron.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

It's the same all over.

Not at all.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Not at all.

Chuck Grassley

Joni Ernst

...nuff said.

 

[Krugminator2]

It's too late at this juncture really. There was an opportunity for Rand to build upon the 20% base in Iowa and 30% base in NH, as well as the 40 million raised by Ron.

Not really. Ron Paul benefited from an extraordinarily weak Republican field with no Democrats running allowing him to pick off voters in NH and IA combined with almost zero attack ads because nobody in the world thought he would win. Ron Paul's base was more like 5-10%. And in order to appeal to half of those people, it made him totally unpalatable to 80%+ of Republican voters.

Rand was always going to have trouble generating the same level of enthusiasm. You can either try to win or you can be an ideological movement leader. You can't be both. Rand has chosen to put his best effort forward to be President.

 

[Matt Collins]

Not in this case. Brian Doherty was/is a staunch "Ron Paul guy" and is not one of your typical Reasonite "beltwaytarians" or "libertarian libertines."

I think Doherty is a bit more of an anarchist actually....

 

[Matt Collins]

Lew Rockwell was on the campaign.

Not the last 2 Presidential Campaigns Ron ran

 

[Matt Collins]

Educating people about the nuance of Ron's positions is exactly how you do win.

Wrong!

As soon as a candidate gets into the weeds or nuance they are losing. Try going to campaign school sometime.

Allowing the misinformation and kooky sentiment to linger isn't.

Sometimes external information is beyond the campaign's ability to manage, especially if the candidate is unwilling to do the things necessary to overcome it. Rand, for example, is doing things necessary (albeit somewhat unpleasant to many people around here) to overcome potential negative attacks.

You guys didn't win squat in Iowa so get off your high horse already.

First off, I had nothing to do with Iowa. And secondly Ron DID in fact win the delegation from Iowa.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I do not see how being more like Ron is a winning move.

With Rand's charisma and youth, he could have easily built upon Ron's pre-existing base in Iowa and NH by actually expressing a libertarian viewpoint. Instead, he plans to milquetoast his way there. It isn't working with 12 other 'meh' guys right next to him.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

With Rand's charisma and youth, he could have easily built upon Ron's pre-existing base in Iowa and NH by actually expressing a libertarian viewpoint. Instead, he plans to milquetoast his way there. It isn't working with 12 other 'meh' guys right next to him.

If you think Rand (or anyone) could have just kept building Ron's base until it became an electoral majority, you're mistaken.

The kind of people who care/know that much about politics are a small minority, and always will be.

Maybe Rand could have grown the hardcore base a bit further, had he run a purely educational campaign, Ron Redux.

But, sooner or later, that strategy will hit (if it hasn't already hit) its natural ceiling, and then you have to start attracting Boobus.

...which requires shiny objects and repetition, not rational arguments.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I think Doherty is a bit more of an anarchist actually....

All the more reason not to lump him in with the likes of Matt Welch & Katherine Mangu-Ward ...

 

[dude58677]

Tom Woods forgets about Rand Paul ending the Patriot Act.