This post deserves to be posted in a prominent sub-forum (osan)

[A Son of Liberty]

...where it can be properly discussed:

The answer here is that we have no idea what the future will hold in this regard. This is due in large part, it not entirely, on the wildcard that electronic currencies represent. With bits replacing bills, the money supply may be expanded and contracted at will and in matters of hours. This was never before possible because once releases, paper cannot be so easily recalled. But when you have the ability to magically increase or reduce the number of "dollars" (what a joke) freely resident in the world, all of a sudden the game is changed radically. This is a fundamental shift in the control paradigm of the monetary order.

In ages past, once the king released his mintage, he effectively lost most of his control of it. The coin of the realm could be hidden in any of a vast number of ways, or it could be spirited away or even changed form. There is nothing from stopping a man such as myself, a trained and experienced gold- and silver-smith from melting down the king's coin and rolling sheet from which I produce works of value. Such coins are lost to the king forever. The salient point is that of control, which was never before within the hands of the king with "real money" as it has become with the phony baloney representations of money stored in computers. Cyprus showed the world the possibilities when they unilaterally gave every account in their banks a 10% haircut. They simply closed the doors to all banks, froze all the accounts, then merrily clipped and snipped until everyone was shorter by ten percent. And the world got to see how easily it was accomplished. It got to see that the people whose accounts had been raided had absolutely no recourse to this act of brigandry.

That was a great lesson to we, the people who purport to represent the human drive for liberty. Yeah... right. People stood idly and watched Themme shank them for 10%. They did NOTHING. Barely a whimper, and Theye laughed their asses off over $5K bottles of fine single-barrel whiskies and $40 cigars.

The human race, on the whole, is a sad, sad joke. We talk our shit about freedom as we sit by waiting for someone else to make it real. I've even watched it here - every "project" to which I have put my eyes in the respective posts has gone nowhere, accomplishing nothing. What in hell is the point of all this? I am all for discussing political philosophies and analyzing activity such as case studies of police brutality - but I will not longer call myself and activist because it is a lie. Do as you please, but if all you are doing is getting Joe Schmoe elected, then I must insist that you are accomplishing nothing effective. A few thousands of "us" moved to NH and what have they accomplished? Damned nearly nothing. The asshole cops still hassle open carriers and others who exercise their rights. There is still no "constitutional carry", and even so who gives a shit in the face of the endless litany of ways in which we have been reduced to slave status? How about property taxes? So long as they persist, not a one of you, nor myself, own the land on which we reside, and yet I hear no significant talk of end such nonsense.

How many more election cycles shall be needed before you realize you are wasting your time and that Theye are laughing at your pitiful self? Will it EVER be acceptable to acknowledge that 800# gorilla sitting next to you on the couch? Will it ever be acceptable to call a rose a rose? Will it ever be acceptable to say that standing tall and employing murderous force against Themme is the only likely avenue that holds even the least hope of yielding a good result? Seriously, why is it that people who claim to want liberty restored always decry those who say that it is time to take matters into our unequivocal hands and put those who trample us to their ends? Why is that always looked upon as a non-solution? Do you never wonder about that?

I can but wonder whether hordes of Theire lapdogs shooting us down in the streets would even prove sufficient to get the big talkers to get up and actually do something beside talk and attempt to appease. It has come to the point for me that I am so sick and tired of the "liberty movement" and mostly of myself that I hope to see the worst befall us. Let all those legalized Mexicans be drafted into the US armed forces, trained, armed, and ordered to subdue the gringo. If that doesn't wake the people of this land to the harsh reality that stares them in the face this very hour, then we deserve the damnation that completes itself upon us.

Theye keep pulling the same tricks on us over and over and we keep falling for it. I'm as full of shit as any of you and I am beginning to feel a certain burn on that account.

I suppose I must have gone batshit somewhere over the past couple of decades because nothing I see makes rational sense. What in hell am I missing? I ask because I must be wrong. I cannot be the only one seeing what I see and still be right. Fuck a duck... maybe I just need to get old and die and be done with this lunatic race of which I am, now shamefully, a part.

What do you all think? Am I cracked? Need I be taken and put down? This shit has me tired and bored to the point of tears. My disappointment in myself and those around me (I mean the whole world here) is beyond containment. There is no vessel large enough to hold it all.

Part of me agrees with georgiaboy, who responded in that THREAD in the Austrian Economics/Economic Theory sub-forum, who cited Ron, his perseverance, and the real, tangible progress made on behalf of human freedom since his rise to prominence in '06-'07.

And part of me heartily agrees with you, sir. "Theye" (if I may borrow your term) have so thoroughly marginalized and besmirched the concept of righteous revolution that even a majority of libertarians (sic) shudder to think of it. Additionally, we are so settled in our modern lives that we are unwilling to jeopardize our comfort, and too certain that we are too few to make a meaningful difference and therefore unwilling to stand up. I guess we would indeed rather "live on our knees, than die on our feet", sadly. Yet we are indeed too few. Take a look around... as Gunny's quip accurately portrayed in another thread, our compatriots are largely unmoved by the tyranny under which we toil: "We have to hurt and humiliate you to keep you safe, and if you don't like it you are a commie."; a recognizable sentiment among the many sheep surrounding us. And, speaking personally, and given that "Theye" (if I may, again) are so indoctrinated in the paradigm of the state that their offenses are (in their mind) justified in that paradigm, as a Christian I struggle to "action"...

So there's the 'why' of it.

What to do, then? Well, that's the purpose of posting this in a prominent forum. Let's hear it, RPF.

 

[CaptUSA]

This is certainly a negative take on the future of technology, but let me paint a rosier picture, if I may. While osan's concerns are definitely valid, it doesn't necessarily have to be like that. If anything, I think technology is making things more decentralized than ever. Knowledge is becoming more and more ubiquitous. That gives them ability to know what we're doing, but also gives us the ability to know what they're doing and respond in real time. When currencies become decentralized, there will be an almost automatic readjustment following any attempts to "control" things. Their "magical abilities" will lose their luster once the market displays its magical abilities to undermine them.

This same thing holds true in many arenas. Abuses by the government are on display more than ever thanks to social media and the internet. It may seem as though the problem is getting worse, but that may be because we are finally starting to see it being shown to us. Police abuses have always happened - it's only now that they are becoming public. Judges and other administrators have to fear being exposed more than ever before.

I'd suggest that we don't need everyone to be able to see it. Call them "sheep", if you like. Their heads will always be buried. Instead of trying to get them to see the light, I take heart in that there are enough able to see the light to keep the market honest. The same free market principles that hold true in economics will also hold true in governance. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The availability of information.

I expect government education to be the last domino to fall. And it is beginning to fall. The faults of government education is so glaring that before long, enough of the market will recognize that information has to be gained in other ways. Look at this new generation! They are growing up with access to information I would have dreamed about as a child! And those who choose to bathe themselves in this information are becoming more and more liberty-friendly.

There is hope, my friends. Do not despair.

 

[TheTexan]

They are growing up with access to information I would have dreamed about as a child! And those who choose to bathe themselves in this information

Vast majority choose not to, and prefer willful ignorance.

 

[tod evans]

This post deserves to be posted in a prominent sub-forum (osan)...where it can be properly discussed:
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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?464132-The-words-of-Osan&highlight=words+osan

 

[A Son of Liberty]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?464132-The-words-of-Osan&highlight=words+osan

Perhaps I should have said it deserves it's own thread. This is a discussion worth having.

 

[TheTexan]

Just need to vote harder, or take Collins seminar on mobilizing voters. And strongly worded letters.

Don't forget sign waving too; every sign waved makes a difference.

Keep up the great work everybody, they will have to give us our freedom eventually, as long as we keep asking nicely.

 

[tod evans]

Perhaps I should have said it deserves it's own thread. This is a discussion worth having.

The discussion that needs to be had won't be had on Bryan's forum and quite honestly it shouldn't be had with, or in the presence of, 1's and 0's.......

But yes, I agree discussions about action must take place...

 

[Anti Federalist]

One hard reality I have come to terms with is this:

There is no innate human longing for freedom (as we understand it) in the human heart.

Most people do not want to be free: they want to be fed (or perhaps "made comfortable" is a better description), entertained and boss around their fellow man, just a little more than they are being bossed around.

Freedom will come from a minority of people wanting it AND bold enough to seize it, in the face of massive and violent opposition.

And so far, we, and I include myself, have come up short on the second part of that recipe.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

One hard reality I have come to terms with is this:

There is no innate human longing for freedom (as we understand it) in the human heart.

Most people do not want to be free: they want to be fed (or perhaps "made comfortable" is a better description), entertained and boss around their fellow man, just a little more than they are being bossed around.

Freedom will come from a minority of people wanting it AND bold enough to seize it, in the face of massive and violent opposition.

And so far, we, and I include myself, have come up short on the second part of that recipe.

I'm not so sure, AF.

I think it's a pretty fair bet that people don't know what freedom is; that is to say that Theye have been so successful in marketing their operation that true human freedom is such a foreign and abstract concept as to be thoroughly unrecognizable to the modern "American".

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not so sure, AF.

I think it's a pretty fair bet that people don't know what freedom is; that is to say that Theye have been so successful in marketing their operation that true human freedom is such a foreign and abstract concept as to be thoroughly unrecognizable to the modern "American".

No doubt, what is sold to the AmeriKan people is shallow and cheap knock off of freedom.

But, looking back through history, it seems to me a common thread: that freedom, of any sort, is usually disliked and resisted.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

No doubt, what is sold to the AmeriKan people is shallow and cheap knock off of freedom.

But, looking back through history, it seems to me a common thread: that freedom, of any sort, is usually disliked and resisted.

Probably. But it seems that people today are more disconnected from the very concept, as though it's an unrecognizable, alien thing. In other words, people might in the past have forgone freedom for comfort, etc.; but it seems today people don't even know they're foregoing it.

 

[tod evans]

Probably. But it seems that people today are more disconnected from the very concept, as though it's an unrecognizable, alien thing. In other words, people might in the past have forgone freedom for comfort, etc.; but it seems today people don't even know they're foregoing it.

Why is it that kops, prison guards and court employees salaries are on average double the mean income?

Eventually the trees will meld into a forest and those brushfires the good Dr. has spoke of will begin blazing.....

 

[NOVALibertarian]

One hard reality I have come to terms with is this:

There is no innate human longing for freedom (as we understand it) in the human heart.

Most people do not want to be free: they want to be fed (or perhaps "made comfortable" is a better description), entertained and boss around their fellow man, just a little more than they are being bossed around.

Freedom will come from a minority of people wanting it AND bold enough to seize it, in the face of massive and violent opposition.

And so far, we, and I include myself, have come up short on the second part of that recipe.

Hear hear.

That's why I've always believed that fascism is perhaps the most "natural" form of government as it, unlike Communism, allows some form (albeit limited) of individuality whist still allowing said human to be apart of a greater (and nationalistic) community. Most people tend to follow the crowd, and no system of government rallies "crowds" better than fascism.

If a longing for complete freedom was natural to humans, the entire history of humanity would be different.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Hear hear.

That's why I've always believed that fascism is perhaps the most "natural" form of government as it, unlike Communism, allows some form (albeit limited) of individuality whist still allowing said human to be apart of a greater (and nationalistic) community. Most people tend to follow the crowd, and no system of government rallies "crowds" better than fascism.

If a longing for complete freedom was natural to humans, the entire history of humanity would be different.

Most people tend to not think too far outside of the given paradigm. Most people don't like being told what to do.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

People sell their freedom for stuff.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Most people tend to not think too far outside of the given paradigm. Most people don't like being told what to do.

No they don't.

So in a fascist system like the one we are living in, they get the opportunity to boss other people around or ruin their lives.

That salves the pain of being bossed around themselves.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

No they don't.

So in a fascist system like the one we are living in, they get the opportunity to boss other people around or ruin their lives.

That salves the pain of being bossed around themselves.

That's a pretty good summary, I'd say.

 

[Proph]

How many more election cycles shall be needed before you realize you are wasting your time and that Theye are laughing at your pitiful self? Will it EVER be acceptable to acknowledge that 800# gorilla sitting next to you on the couch? Will it ever be acceptable to call a rose a rose? Will it ever be acceptable to say that standing tall and employing murderous force against Themme is the only likely avenue that holds even the least hope of yielding a good result? Seriously, why is it that people who claim to want liberty restored always decry those who say that it is time to take matters into our unequivocal hands and put those who trample us to their ends? Why is that always looked upon as a non-solution? Do you never wonder about that?

If you can't even talk about what to do if things get too bad, you're already fucked. With that being said, why is it not acceptable to discuss these avenues? (Forum guidelines, or fear of being black-bagged in the night?)

Violence begets violence, and most of "Theire" enforcers are blind to their current role as oppressors. Until they -- or, at least, the public -- understand the harm inflicted via the guise of "Safety," retaliation will be meaningless and will only cause more wrongdoing.

Anyone here heard of "The Plan"? (Apparently the interview was done in 2012, but up until a few weeks ago, I hadn't even heard of it. I'm not sure of its legitimacy, but I can hope, can't I?)

 

[ClydeCoulter]

No they don't.

So in a fascist system like the one we are living in, they get the opportunity to boss other people around or ruin their lives.

That salves the pain of being bossed around themselves.

And then, there are those that are lazy, whether in an opt out way or not, and don't want to do anything for themselves that they can get/take from others.

 

[DamianTV]

Why is it that kops, prison guards and court employees salaries are on average double the mean income?

Eventually the trees will meld into a forest and those brushfires the good Dr. has spoke of will begin blazing.....

The thicker the forest, the worse the fire.