This is how "real" all this is for me, personally.

[WD-NY]

@9:14 marker

Thanks for sharing this video - this certainly seems like a complex issue with not 'good/right' answer. Anti-Federalist, do you see any benefits to Ron's position (perhaps over the long term)? Is there any way he could frame his response that would/may play a bit better to all the mariners in the country?

 

[Crystallas]

What makes you think this is a priority? What makes you think every facet of the Jones act will be repealed, and not shifted elsewhere? What makes you think Ron, who has not heard your side of the story, and also claimed to need-to-reread, has his mind made up on this in a way that would effect you negatively? Also, with all of the other changes done through attrition and use of priority, what are the chances that this will be on the plate, or it will ever become a negative impact on you considering all of the other moving parts that could benefit you far more?

 

[donnay]

What makes you think this is a priority? What makes you think every facet of the Jones act will be repealed, and not shifted elsewhere? What makes you think Ron, who has not heard your side of the story, and also claimed to need-to-reread, has his mind made up on this in a way that would effect you negatively?

Go listen to the video I provided above, his last statement was; "I would be for repealing most of it, if not all of it."

 

[RonPauledbyYoutube]

Repeal of the Jones Act would more than likely result in the end of my job and career.

...

But, that has not affected my support, will not affect my support, I am as committed to this as ever.

"Why?" some would ask. Indeed, why would you "vote against your best interests, Cappy?"

For one simple reason: freedom is more important than a paycheck.

A job will be a pretty useless commitment, when we are all cooling our heels in Gitmo, or some federal prison camp.

...
I take those remarks seriously though, because nothing could be further from the truth, this is as real as it comes, this is my job, family, future...this is putting it all on the line, for this, and a number of other reasons.

The "safe" move would be to support any of the machine candidates, or, even safer, not give a shit about any of it and go drink beer and watch football.

I'm not here to play it safe.

Freedom ain't always safe.

I hear you man. I'll be in the same position if Ron get his way on the issues of Income tax & the IRS (except that I do despise those two). I am a CPA and most of my income comes from tax preparation. Even though, I understand the issue with the 16th Amendment not being properly ratified and the crimes of our gov't in the hands of the IRS. I've opted to change the system by supporting Dr. Paul. Therefore, if Dr. Paul gets his way (I pray he does), I would need to make adjustments in my job for the sake of freedom.

Freedom doesn't have a price. There are plenty of things to do when people are free.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Good on you AF, and a great topic -thank you. This is another 'rubber meets the road' Liberty moment. Myself, and wifey out here who is an auditor specializing in non-profits, know all about the personal 'reality' of Liberty and how that could be affecting her field as well. We are okay with it because our faith in God, and our belief in Liberty. We have no doubt that her skills could be employed doing something that wouldn't involve the "ethical" use of stolen money. I can't even imagine how much Federal stolen money is thrown around to non-profits through out the Country.

Communicating with wifey about these audits often gets me quite riled, while the people spending the stolen monies get to brag about how much 'good' they do, wifey and I get to see the inside reality of what kind of irresponsible behavior 'free' money brings out in people. Take my word folks, borrowed/stolen money under my wife's scrutiny is about as good as a bad thing can be, but we are more than happy to dump that part of the industry for the sake of Liberty.

Now about that Jones Act... We live on an Island and we know ALL about it. Here's an example of how it affects us -the article's title/example is perhaps a bit dramatic and whiney, but the short little article gives a pretty good example of what's involved: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/jones...reparing-for-presidents-arrival-in-kailua/123

Jones Act Killing Hawaii's Sustainability Efforts

Hawaii politicians talk about sustainability of Hawaii’s environment and food supply.

But what are they actually doing to ensure that Hawaii’s farmers can stay in business?

Lois Shimabukuro, who operates with her sister Phyllis, Ka Lei Eggs, her family’s third generation egg business, says politicians are not doing enough.

One of the major problems many Hawaii businesses have is the cost of importing goods.

In Lois’ case, there is a 33.3 percent shipping freight surcharge on the feed she brings in from the mainland. Since there no longer is a manufacturer in Hawaii, Lois imports egg cartons.

But shipping those in costs more than the cartons themselves.

Part of the problem is the Jones Act, a federal shipping mandate that limits competition by only allowing American ships to transport goods between America’s ports.

Hawaii is hurt most by this mandate, but Hawaii’s congressional delegation, which receives substantial donations from those who support the Jones Act, won’t do anything to help Hawaii get an exemption from the law.

Former Congressman Ed Case, a Democrat running for US Senate, points out his opponent, Congresswoman Mazie Hirono has received about 50 percent of her campaign contributions for the U.S. Senate race from Jones Act supporters, and she continues as a strong supporter of the mandate.

Along with all the costs to ship and operate here, high taxes, expensive employee mandates, and land prices, the cost of corn and grain continues to skyrocket.

Lois and Phyllis wonder how they will be able to sustain the family business started by their grandfather in 1947.

They are the only remaining major fresh egg producer in Hawaii.

See the entire show about the Jones Act’s impact on Hawaii businesses on Hawaii Reporter Television.

I certainly welcome any articles on the abuse of non-profit spending!

"we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor"

Again AF and Mrs. AF, and everyone with their examples, thanks for the 'rubber meets the road' Liberty moment. We will land on our feet, it's freedom with reponsibility to our fellow man, fellow patriots got your back.

 

[sailingaway]

Go listen to the video I provided above, his last statement was; "I would be for repealing most of it, if not all of it."

but he also said that was based on not having read it, and on his understanding of it and the complaints he had heard including how it actually HURTS domestic shipping.

 

[Eleutheros]

+rep to AF for standing behind his principles at the expense of his job security.

This thread also makes a point that I think everyone (indirectly) missed, but based on the responses, they understand and accept:

Part of the reason why our nation's economy is in such shambles is that no one appears willing to sacrifice and "take one for the team" in order for the whole to benefit later. AF's post demonstrated his willingness to do just that, and others followed suit.

This piggybacks off another thread: While Ron Paul is not the answer to all our nation's problems, our federal government is definitely not the answer to any of our nation's problems.

 

[amy31416]

I'm going to pre-empt Danke and suggest:

 

[Occam's Banana]

AF, ouch. Coming directly from RP must've made the sting of that realization extra poignant.

I gotta feeling that many if not all of us in the movement, whether we realize it or not, will face short term or longer pain if RP is actually elected president.

The market will re-shape itself to the new reality and it's bound to cause some jobs to go, others to be created.

I fully expect to feel the pinch or worse, but like you, I know in the end everything will be better, if not for me directly, at least for my kids & beyond.

And it will be better, much better.

This^^.

The infections of Keynesianism, Imperialism, etc. have festered to point that the necessary purgatives are going to be a bitter pill for most (perhaps all) of us to swallow.
If swiftly administered and not regurgitated, however, the restorative effects and resulting vigor & health will be more than worth the unpleasant & temporary side-effects.
If we don't take our medicine, those side-effects will be nothing compared to the agonies we'll experience when the abcess finally ruptures.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Wow, a huge group +rep for all the positive comments.

A huge "hell yeah" to all those who spoke up, that are in similar positions, that still are willing to put freedom and principle over a paycheck.

I'll be re-paying this rep back for months.

Thank you all.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

+rep to Bunk for a great post. We've stopped ALL giving to non-profits.

Great post AF. May you be one of the first to get a second line of "little green rep lights" - you know what I mean.

 

[donnay]

Transcript:

Woman from audience:
Hi Dr. Paul...umm... my question is regarding the Jones Act which was created to protect cargo coming into and out of the United States. And protect jobs for American Sailors and some view it as protectionism but it has created...umm... essentially middle class jobs. And we see across the board in other industries where IT jobs are getting shipped over to India and Pakistan and you can list all kinds of jobs that have been shipped overseas. Do you support the Jones Act and would you create something to... against essentially, shore up more jobs stateside for folks.

Dr. Paul's response:
Right. Umm... basically without, you know, rereading the Jones Act and knowing every detail, I've dealt with it to a degree because I have Galveston in my district and we have the ships coming in and out and they complain about it all the time. Even though it was well intended to protect American jobs, it really backfires a lot of unintended consequences, to me, it interferes with the market place. So unless there is something very very special in there or necessary, I've basically had the position that I would repeal most of it if not all of it. Because I think we would be better off for that. It was suppose to be there to protect American jobs but what it does is chases a lot of vessels away and they have to...it is very complicated... they... umm I can't remember exactly what happens if you are one city... if your in New Orleans you cannot stop in Galveston. So it undermines... so what happens... the ships... a foreigner can do it, but an American ship can't do it so they register overseas. It's a real mess. The Market... It does not enhance the market so I would be for repealing most of it if not all of it.

 

[Delivered4000]

Nice man. It's this attitude that will change the world. Thanks for being principled.

 

[KingRobbStark]

AF, you are my role model. Every post you make is an advice I take personally. Thank you.

 

[Crystallas]

Go listen to the video I provided above, his last statement was; "I would be for repealing most of it, if not all of it."

I know, I saw the video before I made my post.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have no doubt that, upon investigation of Jones, he would be opposed.

Then again, so was Reagan, yet the realities of things convinced him to put tariffs on a number of things.

I'm not that concerned anyway, this would take an Act of Congress to repeal, and I trust Dr. Paul enough to know that he would not use an unconstitutional executive solution to get around something he disliked.

Regardless, like I said in the OP, I'm fully committed anyway.

Transcript:

Woman from audience:
Hi Dr. Paul...umm... my question is regarding the Jones Act which was created to protect cargo coming into and out of the United States. And protect jobs for American Sailors and some view it as protectionism but it has created...umm... essentially middle class jobs. And we see across the board in other industries where IT jobs are getting shipped over to India and Pakistan and you can list all kinds of jobs that have been shipped overseas. Do you support the Jones Act and would you create something to... against essentially, shore up more jobs stateside for folks.

Dr. Paul's response:
Right. Umm... basically without, you know, rereading the Jones Act and knowing every detail, I've dealt with it to a degree because I have Galveston in my district and we have the ships coming in and out and they complain about it all the time. Even though it was well intended to protect American jobs, it really backfires a lot of unintended consequences, to me, it interferes with the market place. So unless there is something very very special in there or necessary, I've basically had the position that I would repeal most of it if not all of it. Because I think we would be better off for that. It was suppose to be there to protect American jobs but what it does is chases a lot of vessels away and they have to...it is very complicated... they... umm I can't remember exactly what happens if you are one city... if your in New Orleans you cannot stop in Galveston. So it undermines... so what happens... the ships... a foreigner can do it, but an American ship can't do it so they register overseas. It's a real mess. The Market... It does not enhance the market so I would be for repealing most of it if not all of it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Same here AF, I am a defense contractor and will certainly lose my job if Ron Paul is elected. I know it is corrupt and I know I have a cushy job making more money than if I were in the private sector.

The thing is, I was laid off this past year and tried to go into the private sector. I am an IT/software/sys admin guy. My field of expertise is so spread out thanks to hopping from contract to contract that I was in trouble when it came to finding anything in the private sector. I know several different programming languages, know many different systems and network protocols, etc. But when it comes down to it, I know as much on each subject as a junior level engineer. And I am used to a senior level salary. I got turned away again and again saying that, while I am very talented in many areas, they are looking for a "Senior X" with 10 years of experience doing "X". I have done the whole alphabet.

As a defense contractor my vast experience and my degree are beneficial because when they bid a contract they can throw my name on several different contracts that each may have a completely different requirement.

I would have to say that you are being fed a load of crap when they say why they won't hire you in the private sector. It's a different excuse every time. I have seen gurus in Java not able to get a private sector job, and being told that they didn't have enough experience. It's all BS. One guy was interviewed by recent immigrants from India who were technically incompetent. They are making hiring recommendations and decisions now, and anyone who threatens their crony gravy train does not have a chance. If you are their cousin from India, you are a shoe-in for the job. Not that any of this is a new phenomena. It's who you know, not what you know.

The only reason you can still get a job in the Defense industry is because they have citizenship and security clearance requirements.

 

[Anti Federalist]

None of us are going to get off the hook easy in this mess.

We're all addicted to the goverment morphine, some more than others.

Going cold turkey is a bitch, but it must be done.

AF, ouch. Coming directly from RP must've made the sting of that realization extra poignant.

I gotta feeling that many if not all of us in the movement, whether we realize it or not, will face short term or longer pain if RP is actually elected president.

The market will re-shape itself to the new reality and it's bound to cause some jobs to go, others to be created.

I fully expect to feel the pinch or worse, but like you, I know in the end everything will be better, if not for me directly, at least for my kids & beyond.

And it will be better, much better.

 

[Ashhhhh]

Protectionism is extremely flawed and will destroy our economy. RP is right

 

[Anti Federalist]

Protectionism is extremely flawed and will destroy our economy. RP is right

John McPain was opposed to Jones as well.

But not because of any principled stand.

Because transnationals like ADM have him in his back pocket.

They want Jones to go away so they can use cheap third world tugs and barges for grain transport on the river system.