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[Acala]

news broadcasts depicting martial law

Whether the news is depicting the situation accurately is another matter altogether.

Martial law cannot be depicted in a photo. Martial law is a legal condition in which military edict supercedes civil law. I am not aware of any report of such happening in Boston. Would I be surprised that a news report would misuse the term? Hahahahahahaha! No.

 

[otherone]

This sets a monstrous precedent. What prevents "them" from doing this on a "normal" manhunt?

 

[tod evans]

Armed militarized troops searching homes "with consent"...

Armed military troops searching homes "by order"....


In the end there are armed troops searching homes!

This is not the America I grew up believing in.

 

[dusman]

Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.

Actually, I think I disagree with you here.

I interpret the 4th Amendment to mean that all searches and seizures (whether by consent, non-consent, or compulsion) require a search warrant. If ignorance is no excuse, it must be applied both ways. Just because the populace might be ignorant and comply, does not give our government waiver and I don't believe they are ignorant to such requirement under our Constitution. Does it say in the 4th unless consent is given?

If I'm wrong, what is to stop 100 armed personnel outside your home ASKING if they may come in and search? Those not ready to "die as a free man" as said above, will comply and will do so under duress.

 

[dusman]

Also, Wikipedia (poor source I know) states this under the term Duress:

Duress or coercion can also be raised in an allegation of rape or sexual assault to negate a defense of consent on the part of the person making the allegation.

I'm sure the same applies here.

 

[dillo]

hes guilty though, i saw it on the news

 

[Kodaddy]

You're watching an exercise in how to disarm an entire town...killing a kid is just a bonus...

 

[RockEnds]

This sets a monstrous precedent. What prevents "them" from doing this on a "normal" manhunt?

This is a normal manhunt.

 

[RockEnds]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

Strictly speaking, you're right. However, to be cliche, it's close enough for government work.

 

[iamse7en]

How will Americans respond to news broadcasts depicting martial law in a major city?

Acquiescence.

 

[CPUd]

Here is the problem. Some of you think people should be able to go outside and walk around. Suppose they were out walking around and tripped an explosive device that was planted this morning. Or even if they were just outside, the guy they are chasing runs down the street and everybody gets killed in the crossfire.

Then people would be on the internet raising hell about why didn't the cops clear the area. Either way, the cops take shit. But with the way they are doing it now, no bystanders get killed.


But what I hope the country sees with this is that after 12 years of getting ready for something like this, the anti-terrorism industry are still predominantly a reactionary force.

 

[dusman]

Here is the problem. Some of you think people should be able to go outside and walk around. Suppose they were out walking around and tripped an explosive device that was planted this morning. Or even if they were just outside, the guy they are chasing runs down the street and everybody gets killed in the crossfire.

Then people would be on the internet raising hell about why didn't the cops clear the area. Either way, the cops take shit. But with the way they are doing it now, no bystanders get killed.


But what I hope the country sees with this is that after 12 years of getting ready for something like this, the anti-terrorism industry are still predominantly a reactionary force.

FAIL. I'll walk wherever the fuck I please, even if it means over a cliff. I'm American.

Everyone walking down the street might have a bomb, so to protect you we will have to cavity search every single ass.

Yes, I think any American should be able to go outside and walk around. Are you kidding me?

 

[CPUd]

You know I meant this particular situation, and not in general.

 

[donnay]

Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.

Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.

You beat me to it.

 

[The Northbreather]

Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.

It's the spirit if not the letter of the law

 

[CPUd]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

 

[Philhelm]

Why can't you people simply kneel before your masters?

 

[Philhelm]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

The U.S. government should have issued a Letter of Marque.

 

[CPUd]

The U.S. government should have issued a Letter of Marque.

I could envision that, but then the problem getting there is not with the State, it is with the thought process of the citizens who grant the State the authority to do what they did today.