“This is a system-wide collapse” - Texas border overwhelmed

[RJB]

I've never had a problem with Border Patrol or even a military presence on the border. It's when people can't see the bigger picture that I have a problem with. The surveillance police state is very close to completion, thanks to 9/11. 9/11 was used as the excuse for the police state phase domestically, interestingly also under a conservative President. Now, it's immigrants being scapegoated to implement other measures that conservatives and libertarians would otherwise oppose such as calling for walling ourselves in like we're Palestinians. Fear the brown people that threaten you! It's all for your own safety, of course.

This is why I stay out of these conversations. I know where you are coming from. Walling off the entire Rio Grande River is insane. Those random ID checkpoints 50 miles from the border is tyrannical. I support those guys who refuse to show ID.

However I see the disaster the Uniparty system that California has become, but TPTB will use the excuse to defend against that as reason to implement the above. However not implementing it will mean my state turning into a California and California turning into Venezuela. And no it's not the brown people of Venezuela. It's the socialism of Venezuela that I dislike. As much as the state I live in could improve, it beat the hell out of CA and Venezuela.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mexican Cartel Coyotes terrorize Americans 80 miles north of the border in Texas

 

[ATruepatriot]

Walled police states don't have any thriving examples either. The fact is, things like walls and police states are necessary preliminary steps to implement totalitarian communist (or fascist) states. If I've learned anything it's that one of the biggest keys to how elites operate is to get people to want (consenting) what their plans call for, instead of forcefully implementing them on people and risking a direct revolt. If they can get someone like AF to actually advocate for the preliminary steps needed to implement a communist society, they're executing the plan brilliantly. Then later when the communist society is STILL implemented, everyone wonders how the hell it happened?

Duality mind tricks require that only two "options" to be presented, while neither option is a good option and ignoring all other options.

I absolutely hate the police state. They are separate issues and cannot be lumped together as "all or none or you are not a purist" . Ever thought about why the police state is now growing so fast? The more criminals that enter the country the more police presence is needed now that they infringed on the 2nd amendment and screwed up the court system in favor of those criminals because there are now just to many to deal with. The system is overloaded and as a side effect we get more police presence we don't want. Realistic cause and effect at play here.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I get the feeling it could be all of Western Civilization, and this is Population Reduction.

Bing-fucking-go.

We always knew that was the "powers that be" ultimate plan.

We were just wrong about the way in which they do it.

Declining populations and low birth rates caused by abortion on demand, quantifiable, medically proved and significant drops in (Western) men's sperm and testosterone counts, fourth wave feminism rendering women unattractive, untouchable, shrieking harridans, the explosion of the genetic dead ends of weirdosexualism...ALL of this is related and not happening in a vacuum and not happening by accident.

 

[acptulsa]

Opposing walls, opposing "papers please" police state enforcement, etc does not equal being an "open border person". For me, at least, it means being aware of history and how measures like that never end well for the existing populations. NEVER. Dr. Paul knows this as well.

Not in intelligent conversation among reasonable people, no. But among divided and conquer trolls trying to use an ineffective boondoggle of a physical barrier that can be defeated by a skilled pole vaulter to give 'the swamp' cover by pitting the population at each other's throats, anybody can get stuffed into any ill-defined group at any time.

Right, Swordshyll?

The more criminals that enter the country the more police presence is needed now that they infringed on the 2nd amendment and screwed up the court system in favor of those criminals because there are now just to many to deal with. The system is overloaded and as a side effect we get more police presence we don't want. Realistic cause and effect at play here.

You've been listening to some boutique corner or another of the MSM. Meanwhile, in reality, the murder rate is way, way down.

As long as you don't figure in the SWAT rate.

You are the one using a duality mind trick, we are not advocating for a police state.

Take those blinders off and look again.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I absolutely hate the police state. They are separate issues and cannot be lumped together as "all or none or you are not a purist" . Ever thought about why the police state is now growing so fast? The more criminals that enter the country the more police presence is needed now that they infringed on the 2nd amendment and screwed up the court system in favor of those criminals because there are now just to many to deal with. The system is overloaded and as a side effect we get more police presence we don't want. Realistic cause and effect at play here.

The number of immigrants in the country is up. The numbers of crimes are down. Realistic cause and effect at play?

I guess we don't need that police state you say you don't want.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The same could be said about quoting neocons like Nikki Haley as if they're the friend of the average American.

I honestly wouldn't know all that much about Nikki Haley if I fell over her.

What is the sense of the forum though, on what she, as directed by Trump, did?

In December 2017, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley announced that the U.S. would not participate, stating that “we will decide how best to control our borders and who will be allowed to enter our country.”

Good move or bad?

Or do we, as citizens, through elected representatives, that have sworn a constitutional duty to protect the republic against invasion, not have a say in this at all?

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/FortuneGenia/status/1112516032747528197

 

[ATruepatriot]

 

[Swordsmyth]

I honestly wouldn't know all that much about Nikki Haley if I fell over her.

What is the sense of the forum though, on what she, as directed by Trump, did?



Good move or bad?

GOOD.

Haley is bad but the UN is worse.

At one time this movement understood how bad the UN is and why Ron wanted us out.

 

[ATruepatriot]

The number of immigrants in the country is up. The numbers of crimes are down. Cause and effect at play?

I guess we don't need that police state you say you don't want.

It's 3 years old... And on the uptick.

 

[devil21]

This is why I stay out of these conversations. I know where you are coming from. Walling off the entire Rio Grande River is insane. Those random ID checkpoints 50 miles from the border is tyrannical. I support those guys who refuse to show ID.

However I see the disaster the Uniparty system that California has become, but TPTB will use the excuse to defend against that as reason to implement the above. However not implementing it will mean my state turning into a California and California turning into Venezuela. And no it's not the brown people of Venezuela. It's the socialism of Venezuela that I dislike. As much as the state I live in could improve, it beat the hell out of CA and Venezuela.

It's simply that there is a meticulously executed plan that is underway and some of us are watching it play out in real-time. And unfortunately, it's somewhat easy to pick out who the agents are and who the dupes are. And they're both going to drag the rest of us along with them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The number of immigrants in the country is up. The numbers of crimes are down. Realistic cause and effect at play?

I guess we don't need that police state you say you don't want.

Correlation is not causation, more guns have contributed to the drop in crime.

And politics is more important than crime anyway, the country is getting ever more communist as we import more communists.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's simply that there is a meticulously executed plan that is underway and some of us are watching it play out in real-time. And unfortunately, it's somewhat easy to pick out who the agents are and who the dupes are. And they're both going to drag the rest of us along with them.

And that plan is to turn us communist by importing communists.

Stop trying to drag us along.

 

[Zippyjuan]

It's 3 years old... And on the uptick.

Fear mongering is on the uptick. By people who want a bigger police state.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-12/pssst-crime-may-be-near-an-all-time-low

Pssst: Crime May Be Near an All-Time Low


Why do Americans remain unconvinced by the data?

February 12, 2018

There's been a lot of talk over the past couple of years about rising crime. For good reason: Violent crime and murder were in fact up in the U.S. in 2015 and 2016. Early indications are that crime rates fell in 2017, though. 1 And the really big crime story of our time remains how much it has fallen in this country over the past quarter-century.

The blue line in the above chart comes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Crime in the United States reports, the 2016 edition of which came out last September. The gray line is from the less-well-known National Crime Victimization Survey of the Bureau of Justice Statistics, from which 2016 data was released in December. 2 As you can see, the BJS data -- based in 2016 on a survey of 134,690 households -- shows an even sharper drop than the data the FBI collects from law enforcement agencies.

More at link.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Fear mongering is on the uptick. By people who want a bigger police state.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-12/pssst-crime-may-be-near-an-all-time-low



More at link.

And politics is more important than crime anyway, the country is getting ever more communist as we import more communists.

 

[Zippyjuan]

And politics is more important than crime anyway, the country is getting ever more communist as we import more communists.

Speaking of fear mongers.....

 

[Swordsmyth]

Speaking of fear mongers.....

Take your soma elsewhere.

 

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...sessions-murder-immigrants-column/1423724002/

According to the latest FBI report of Crime in the United States, the nation’s toll of serious violent and property offenses dipped in 2017 over the previous year.

As compared with 2016, the violent crime rate per 100,000 population declined by .9 percent, including a 1.4 percent drop in homicide (which would have been a 1.8 percent reduction were it not for the act of one individual last October in Las Vegas). Meanwhile, the decline in property crime was even more pronounced with a 3.6 percent lower rate per 100,000 population.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Fear mongering is on the uptick. By people who want a bigger police state.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-12/pssst-crime-may-be-near-an-all-time-low

More at link.

I've never approached it from a "crime" angle.

I could care less.

I approach from a displacement/replacement angle.

The reason crime is down is this:

The invading hordes vote AGAINST gun rights.

When crime rates go up, the people in general start hollering for more "police state".

Thus: mass migration causes a police state.

Stop gaslighting people and stop bleating that I am in favor of what YOU are proposing which is more people, more crime, more pollution, more cops and more government.

Honestly, you sound like the barnyard animals in Animal Farm: "Two Legs Baddddd".