“This is a system-wide collapse” - Texas border overwhelmed

PAF said:
The statist plan of action is as follows:

1. We the Fed will build that Wall at cost in both dollars and freedom to "prevent socialism".

2. We the Fed will continue to provide welfare and free handouts as long as you become government owned by way of "documentation". Fear not, the Wall will go up, but Benefits will remain.

3. We the Fed will not permit people to travel or work "undocumented" or negotiate private contract rights between business and employee, but the Fed fully supports working for government mandated wages.

4. We the Fed promise that the Wall will work to ensure 1 through 3. With added documented people paying into our Federal system, we will continue to fund socialism that we are pretending to stop. The side benefit to becoming "documented" is participating in federal elections.


The libertarian response is: The Wall will not work. The Wall will mandate wages, mandate papers please, restrict freedom to travel, and does not lead to lesser contributions in taxes, but in fact more.
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The wall will not mandate wages, it will not mandate papers please, there is no freedom to travel across the border and it will result in lesser contributions in taxes than just allowing the communist invasion will.

The wall is not the best solution but it is better than nothing, it is not a complete solution and we will also need more patrols on the border and reformed immigration laws.


The anarchist plan of just allowing all of the communists to come here and turn us into a communist country will result in everything they accuse the wall/border control of and much worse.
 
pcosmar said:
Charity?? Or Freedom from the Attacks we inflict on their homes?

Go where the bombs don't fall..

edit to add,,, Also,, the Dictators we Have Imposed on them have effectively disarmed their populations,, so resistance is minimal.
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They demand free stuff, any other causes of their invasion are worth dealing with but we would still have a problem with those that come here because we have are wealthy and they want free stuff.
 
parocks said:
I'd say yes to a war with Mexico. Invade Mexico, tell them that we could take their whole country easily if we wanted to, don't shoot anybody, and tell them what we want, and Mexico should be good with it. And what we want are military bases in Mexico where we can house the migrants that are trying to get in to the US. A DMZ between US in Mexico. We have troops patrolling the DMZ and arresting everyone in the DMZ.

put a factory next to the military base. We don't want these people to become Democrat voters. These aren't bad folks, we just don't want to import them and give them free stuff.

We can withdraw all of our military from the Middle East and put them in North Mexico to accomplish all this.
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I don't agree with putting any bases in Mexico but if they don't stop the invasion instead of aiding it we may have to take control of the border with the military on one side of the border or the other.
 
DamianTV said:
Dominoes.

Collapse one country, cause everyone to evacuate that country, and the country they all flee too also collapses, which causes even more people to collapse the next domino country.
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Is America the last domino to fall? I really don't want to clean up all those dominos.
 
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pcosmar said:
Charity?? Or Freedom from the Attacks we inflict on their homes?
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"We"?

I don't advocate for the bombing of other countries, but that doesn't also make refugees my problem. That's along the lines of thinking reparations will somehow make amends for slavery. I never owned any slaves. I never dropped any bombs. If you feel that you deserve the guilt, post your home address and we'll send 'em your way. You're welcome to "own" it if you want to, but there ain't no "we". Save the guilt tripping.
 
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nobody's_hero said:
"We"?

I don't advocate for the bombing of other countries, but that doesn't also make refugees my problem. That's along the lines of thinking reparations will somehow make amends for slavery. I never owned any slaves. I never dropped any bombs. If you feel that you deserve the guilt, post your home address and we'll send 'em your way. You're welcome to "own" it if you want to, but there ain't no "we". Save the guilt tripping.
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+Rep

Leftarians don't believe in groups unless it serves their purposes to use group guilt.
 
Swordsmyth said:
The UN plans to bring in more of them than there are Americans.
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Assuming USA population figures are accurate (325+ million), please tell me you don't really believe that. The assertion is too ridiculous to bother to break the math down.
 
nobody's_hero said:
"We"?

I don't advocate for the bombing of other countries, but that doesn't also make refugees my problem. That's along the lines of thinking reparations will somehow make amends for slavery. I never owned any slaves. I never dropped any bombs. If you feel that you deserve the guilt, post your home address and we'll send 'em your way. You're welcome to "own" it if you want to, but there ain't no "we". Save the guilt tripping.
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"We",, being the United States Corrupted Government.

which we are subject to for better or worse,,, and taxes extorted pay for all this Evil.

This Country was the Direct Cause of the conditions of their lives,,,

and this is where those bombs don't fall..

So Refugees come here to escape what was done to them in their homes.
 
pcosmar said:
"We",, being the United States Corrupted Government.

which we are subject to for better or worse,,, and taxes extorted pay for all this Evil.

This Country was the Direct Cause of the conditions of their lives,,,

and this is where those bombs don't fall..

So Refugees come here to escape what was done to them in their homes.
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Our rulers are psychopaths. :tears:
 
Swordsmyth said:
The wall will not mandate wages, it will not mandate papers please, there is no freedom to travel across the border and it will result in lesser contributions in taxes than just allowing the communist invasion will.

The wall is not the best solution but it is better than nothing, it is not a complete solution and we will also need more patrols on the border and reformed immigration laws.


The anarchist plan of just allowing all of the communists to come here and turn us into a communist country will result in everything they accuse the wall/border control of and much worse.
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At some point common sense reality needs to come into play. The incentives that attract them here are never going to be cut off as Ron Paul suggests, it has snowballed since the 60s from Cloward-Piven and the stain is set, you will never get it out now. Unless something physical is done right away all those individuals who value what they have earned and sacrificed for with merit will be taken away and divided evenly among the collective masses in one way or another. All the principles and talk in the world is not going to change this very true reality. Time for Plan B.

Unfortunately, supporting open borders also means being willing to give up most of your well earned assets and lifestyle you are now used to, and that of others without their choice. Any other scenario is a pipe dream and an absolute fantasy, we will never get to have our cake and eat it too. Reality dictates the cause and effect of this situation and as much as we would like to believe there is another way... there is not, there is a breaking point and we have now reached it.

As much as I love Ron Paul he is wrong about a wall. The people will never allow a wall to stop them from getting out. There will never be a situation where we will be wanting to get out let alone to Mexico. What is the advantage we want in having free access across the border to Mexico? Is this really something most Americans want to do? Is anyone really foolish enough to believe Mexico will ever be a more free and prosperous county to live in? We are the very last pocket of freedom and there is nowhere else to run to and we need ramparts to defend it or we will indeed lose it all.

Stay free walled in, or be communist without a wall which will come later anyhow. Wall now or wall later. but we WILL get a wall like it or not. I say now while we have a slight chance of remaining a free and independent republic and not after we are a seriously oppressed communist country because we didn't build a wall soon enough. I have 11 Grandchildren who's economic security and freedoms are in serious jeopardy from this mass invasion. There are a whole lot of fantasy pipe dreams and very little factual cause and effect reality in the open border argument. We are in a do it now or lose all freedom situation.
 
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devil21 said:
Assuming USA population figures are accurate (325+ million), please tell me you don't really believe that. The assertion is too ridiculous to bother to break the math down.
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ATruepatriot said:
At some point common sense reality needs to come into play. The incentives that attract them here are never going to be cut off as Ron Paul suggests, it has snowballed since the 60s from Cloward-Piven and the stain is set, you will never get it out now. Unless something physical is done right away all those individuals who value what they have earned and sacrificed for with merit will be taken away and divided evenly among the collective masses in one way or another. All the principles and talk in the world is not going to change this very true reality. Time for Plan B.

Unfortunately, supporting open borders also means being willing to give up most of your well earned assets and lifestyle you are now used to, and that of others without their choice. Any other scenario is a pipe dream and an absolute fantasy, we will never get to have our cake and eat it too. Reality dictates the cause and effect of this situation and as much as we would like to believe there is another way... there is not, there is a breaking point and we have now reached it.

As much as I love Ron Paul he is wrong about a wall. The people will never allow a wall to stop them from getting out. There will never be a situation where we will be wanting to get out let alone to Mexico. What is the advantage we want in having free access across the border to Mexico? Is this really something most Americans want to do? Is anyone really foolish enough to believe Mexico will ever be a more free and prosperous county to live in? We are the very last pocket of freedom and there is nowhere else to run to and we need ramparts to defend it or we will indeed to lose it all.

Stay free walled in, or be communist without a wall which will come later anyhow. Wall now or wall later. but we WILL get a wall like it or not. I say now while we have a slight chance of remaining a free and independent republic and not after we are a seriously oppressed communist country because we didn't build a wall soon enough. I have 11 Grandchildren who's economic security and freedoms are in serious jeopardy from this mass invasion. There are a whole lot of fantasy pipe dreams and very little factual cause and effect reality in the open border argument. We are in a do it now or lose all freedom situation.
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Screw the red herrings.. Communism will never exist due to simple Human Nature..

What will exist is Authoritarianism.. And it really does not matter what Flavor.

We have an Authoritarian Oligarchy and a Armed and Violent Police State.

and a bunch of confused and misled children arguing over the rhetoric of the ruling class.
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