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He only lost votes on the newsletters because of his pandering-like response to them. He lost some of his conservative base when he talked about letting blacks out of
death row etc. People saw his response as weak and pandering to racial leftists. If he would just completely dismiss the charge and that's it he wouldn't lose a single vote
on the newsletters. Please no more pandering and talk of how the criminal justice system is unfair to blacks (it simply isn't). He's supposed to be the candidate that sees
individuals instead of groups and the only one who opposes affirmative action. No surprise that he gained in the polls since the last debate when he used this argument
to the hispanic questioner instead of usually pandering to such and such racial group. No pandering! Support your base!
 
These newsletter are having NO impact on the electorate. If they did the MSM would be talking about them non stop, but they are not. They have been jumping from one anti-Paul strategy to another trying to do damage to his campaign. They are desperatly throwing crap at the wall hoping something sticks. The initial newsletter crap didn't stick which is why they changed it up with the secretary BS. They didn't inform Ron of this supposed new info, they did not show the interview of the secretary, or have her on CNN. 20 years later and all the sudden this comes out with NO verification whatsoever. It was a cheap hit piece pure and simple and if the Paul campaign digs into this it will end up just like the Huntsman daughters video, dirty political tactics. The only people who would say this info affects their vote are those who are not voting for Ron in the first place and are just slinging mud because they support an establishment canidate. We all KNOW CNN doctors info and vids to support their hit pieces against Ron Paul. Do you really think any information CNN obtained was NOT skewed, misrepresented, taken out of context, or just a flat out lie?

EDIT: By the way, the fact that this was CNN tells me they are terrorfied of Ron Paul and know he will take Obama down in the election.
 
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Statistics show that you are wrong.

No, they don't. They prove that I am more than right. All you have to do is compare racial demographics
of those who commit felony homicide vs. the racial demographics of those who are executed. Now go do your homework this time.
 
No, they don't. They prove that I am more than right. All you have to do is compare racial demographics
of those who commit felony homicide vs. the racial demographics of those who are executed. Now go do your homework this time.

I have done my homework. To do so one must know the correct pretext for the answer one seeks. In this case it is not about felony homicide statistics it is about the "War on Drugs."
 
He apparently did too well last night - they are pulling up the threadbare newsletters:

hXXp://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ron-paul-signed-off-on-racist-newsletters-sources-say/2012/01/20/gIQAvblFVQ_story.html

this is freakin ridiculous. the media are scum.
 
Weird, I wonder how the line of questioning was given to Renae. Seems like it might have been a coerced answer because she IS a supporter. I checked her Facebook page and she has an article from a few months ago about Paul's presidential run with the comment "Go Ron... most honest person I've ever known"
Then instead of a dishonest sellout she's a damn fool. I'm having a lot of trouble here coming up with one good reason why a supporter and former secretary of Ron would do a fudging interview with the scum MSM about Ron's newsletters after all the crap that's been said. Does she not have a tv? Does she not pay attention to the news? The Washington Post of all people call you up and want to ask you about your time working with Ron, and you oblige? How stupid can she be! Of course she knew this was a hit piece in the making, and the word 'newsletter' should have ended the convo, period the end. Instead she gave an answer that anyone with half a brain knows could be printed in a way that furthers the narrative.

If there isn't a damn good explanation by her for the ineptness displayed here, as in "I truly sincerely did not think the story would be a hit piece, the reporter told me he/she worked for Ben Swann, and the ...... was me saying that during that time those things were printed Ron had no knowledge of that and would have immediately axed the idea of printing those because it's everything he stands against", then I'm going directly to the assumption that she was paid off. This crap is ridiculous, and I'm getting sick of attention whores popping up to try to mess up this man's bid for the Presidency. If you have nothing of positive value to add that would clear Ron completely then STFU already.
 
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Tragic how people care more about un-PC things that Ron didn't write 20 some years ago than they do the things going on now--the perpetual wars and the enemies and blowback they're creating, the crushing debt, the bailouts and other forms of corporatism, unemployment, inflation, corruption in all three branches of govt, the rapidly growing police state, and the destruction of the middle class--all of which will continue under Newt Romney O'Bama.

Americans' priorities are all f'ed up, and they will get the government they deserve. If only we all didn't.
 
I can tell you all right now that this story does have an effect. On one forum I frequent a supporter started a thread on the subject and said he could no longer support Ron Paul because of it.
 
I can tell you all right now that this story does have an effect. On one forum I frequent a supporter started a thread on the subject and said he could no longer support Ron Paul because of it.

I usually just challenge anyone to come up with just ONE additional piece of information, besides the newsletter, be it news article, t.v. interview, speech or legislation that can undeniably support these claims of racism. Just ONE. I've yet to receive a rebuttal.
 
I can tell you all right now that this story does have an effect. On one forum I frequent a supporter started a thread on the subject and said he could no longer support Ron Paul because of it.

If somone changes their support for Ron that fast then they were not a supporter in the first place. Everyone of us KNOWS this is bull and would not even consider the possibility of this being true, its been vetted, its all bull, and we know it. To magically change sides that fast without it even being investigated is all I need to know about this persons supposed support for Ron Paul. Its just like all those fake supporters who can no longer support Ron now because of the video attack on Huntsman, made by Huntsman's very own daughters. They were never Ron Paul supporters in the first place and just slinging mud to prop up the establishment canidate that they do support.
 
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If Ron Paul talks about anti-racist things, he loses racist voters. Saying the drug wars are racist, the justice system is racist will piss off some white folks

the newsletters hurt him with politically correct or well meaning people

its a no-win situation at this pointin time.
 
I usually just challenge anyone to come up with just ONE additional piece of information, besides the newsletter, be it news article, t.v. interview, speech or legislation that can undeniably support these claims of racism. Just ONE. I've yet to receive a rebuttal.

They're trying to tie in the newsletters with his speech in front of the confederate flag.

It WILL affect soft support, no doubt about it.

Most soft support isn't going to go digging to find out more. They're just going to switch candidates.
 
If Ron Paul talks about anti-racist things, he loses racist voters. Saying the drug wars are racist, the justice system is racist will piss off some white folks

the newsletters hurt him with politically correct or well meaning people

its a no-win situation at this pointin time.

They are racist systems of exploitation, however there is an element of personal responsibility that you cannot discount. Blacks shouldn't be going to jail in such disproportionate numbers and it's largely due to the fact that have no legitimate support system in place, thanks to the destruction of their family unit. I think if somehow their family unit was restored, they would veer away from the poisons targeted at their communities.
 
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He only lost votes on the newsletters because of his pandering-like response to them. He lost some of his conservative base when he talked about letting blacks out of
death row etc. People saw his response as weak and pandering to racial leftists. If he would just completely dismiss the charge and that's it he wouldn't lose a single vote
on the newsletters. Please no more pandering and talk of how the criminal justice system is unfair to blacks (it simply isn't). He's supposed to be the candidate that sees
individuals instead of groups and the only one who opposes affirmative action. No surprise that he gained in the polls since the last debate when he used this argument
to the hispanic questioner instead of usually pandering to such and such racial group. No pandering! Support your base!

In this case, Ron surprisingly is talking about the symptoms and not the source of disease. High incarceration rates are a result of black children being generally discarded during their formative years and being literally raised by the streets. Drugs certainly play a role but the justice system is merely a fait accompli. If you have a strong family unit, in that you know your past, in turn you will know where you are going, you will be empowered by this knowledge and see through the schemes the TPTB is constantly launching. The late Malcolm X talked about this vicious cycle extensively when he was alive.
 
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If somone changes their support for Ron that fast then they were not a supporter in the first place. Everyone of us KNOWS this is bull and would not even consider the possibility of this being true, its been vetted, its all bull, and we know it. To magically change sides that fast without it even being investigated is all I need to know about this persons supposed support for Ron Paul. Its just like all those fake supporters who can no longer support Ron now because of the video attack on Huntsman, made by Huntsman's very own daughters. They were never Ron Paul supporters in the first place and just slinging mud to prop up the establishment canidate that they do support.

Oh don't go with that bullshit "you aren't a true supporter!" retort. Cognitive dissonance like that doesn't get anyone anywhere and only makes us look bad. I can tell you definitely that this person was a supporter. This stuff about the newsletters wasn't new to the person I am talking about, but the media have gone after this story so much and befuddled just about everyone with their perfidy at times. My impression is that for people like him this story brought down their last wall of dissent to the overwhelming anti-Paul echo chamber of the media. Honestly, I myself was shaken a bit by the report.

Now, I am trying to talk to that person about it, but the reality is that there are indeed people who have supported Ron Paul, yet because of some disagreement with him change their minds. I am personally aware of it happening in several cases. One thing I don't do is tell them they never honestly supported Ron Paul in the first place. The maker of the Huntsman video was different because it was a blatant setup, but if some people less cynical about politics and the media bought into the hype that does not mean they did not truly support Paul.

We have to understand that this is much bigger than one election. This campaign is going up against all the machinery of the corporate and political establishment and seeking to expose, then end, their various misdeeds. It is to be expected that disinformation and propaganda will be used to break the weakest of his supporters then slander the rest. Going after every person that is taken with hate and accusatory language will only play into the hands of those seeking to defame our cause.

Now, on another matter I have looked a bit into Renae Hathway and found the following link, it's a Google cache since the actual page is gone:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...7/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

What we have there is a report saying she was a "subscription manager" not someone involved in the actual editing of the newsletter. More to the point it is noted that she was not working there the entire time, as she started working there in 1991. Quite a bit of the most horrific material was before she was there. You also have the fact that no mention is made of how long she was there. If she had left a year later, for instance, she may not have even been around when any of the offensive material was published. Of course, it also doesn't change that her role means she was less like to know the ins and outs of the editing process for the newsletter so her statement Paul proof-reading them may only attest to what Paul himself has said, that he occasionally read them.

After 20 years people tend to be less clear about things like this, especially the frequency of something. I couldn't tell you with any level of certainty how often I saw something or did something even just one year ago.
 
Oh don't go with that bullshit "you aren't a true supporter!" retort. Cognitive dissonance like that doesn't get anyone anywhere and only makes us look bad. I can tell you definitely that this person was a supporter.

So are you saying all Ron Paul supporters are made equal. There are no die hard supporters, there are no tepid supporters, there are no fair weather supporters, and there are no false supporters, etc etc. One size fits all huh. People who are "die hard" or "true" Ron Paul supporters, those who allegience to Paul can not be swaned by some bias media story, have done their homework. Those like that person on the forum you mentioned obviously did not do their homework because if they did they would know this story is BULL or at the very least reserved judgement till more facts became available. So what should our reaction be to people who don't educate themselves on the truth? Lump them in with the rest of us and give them credit for doing research they have not done. They didn't think it was important enough to learn the truth about Ron Paul and the MSM Bias. Instead they just abandon ship. They believed what the MSM said without any proof whatsoever and disregard what Ron Paul said in the flesh. You call that kind of person a Ron Paul supporter, I don't. I call them undecided, fence sitters, trolls, something other than supporters. Some supporter, first lie/unsubstantiated claim and they are off to another canidate. Maybe its just a difference in what yours and my definition is of what a supporter is. Either way you forum friend didn't do their homework, belevied a MSM story with no proof and completly disregarded what Ron Paul himself said over and over and over and over again. Undecided...sure, Fence sitter...sure, but not a Ron Paul supporter. So you said your friend was definately a supporter, and after hearing an unsubstantiated claim from the MSM with no proof whatsoever and hearing Ron Paul himslef denounce it, choose to believe the MSM and not Dr. Paul. We OBVIOUSLY have different definitions of what a "Supporter" is and is not. And hold your diagnosis of Cognitive Dissonance there Doc, Ron Paul is the only physicain I listen to on this forum. :p

I can tell you all right now that this story does have an effect. On one forum I frequent a supporter started a thread on the subject and said he could no longer support Ron Paul because of it.

He even started a thread on it. What kind of supporter starts a thread like that given the facts, or more appropriately absence of facts?
 
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To do so one must know the correct pretext for the answer one seeks. In this case it is not about felony homicide statistics it is about the "War on Drugs."

Wow, way to inadvertently claim that black people collectively possess/use/sell illicit drugs more than any other racial group.
 
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In this case, Ron surprisingly is talking about the symptoms and not the source of disease. High incarceration rates are a result of black children being generally discarded during their formative years and being literally raised by the streets. Drugs certainly play a role but the justice system is merely a fait accompli. If you have a strong family unit, in that you know your past, in turn you will know where you are going, you will be empowered by this knowledge and see through the schemes the TPTB is constantly launching. The late Malcolm X talked about this vicious cycle extensively when he was alive.

That's all well and good until you look at the actual numbers.

On a percentage basis, black Americans use drugs at the same rate as white Americans. On a percentage basis they are arrested at a far greater rate. Once arrested, they are tried and found guilty at a much higher rate. Once found guilty they are given harsher sentences and face prison time at a far higher rate. The system IS racist and it is that system, not some moral or familial failing of African Americans that has caused their plight relative to white America.
 
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