They are REALLLY Hammering Christianity now...another.

Sounds like there may be some "glitches" in the "government schooling" systems. Aren't those OVERSEEN, REGULATED, RUN and FUNDED by Christians, by and large? :confused:

You're kidding, right?

When the country was first founded, yes, and when our education system actually graduated people who knew how to do something besides tie their shoe laces, turn on a calculator, and pay homage to big government; both national and international.
 
Worth repeating...

Originally Posted by MsDoodahs
The state does not like competition.

That goes for worship as well.

If you worship GOD, you are not devoting ALL of your worship TO THE STATE.

If you're a rabid athiest, you're worshipping the state by default because rabid athiests aren't athiests at all - they DO believe - and they hate God (and those who worship God). That's what makes them rabid. An athiest RP supporter isn't going to attack those who DO believe because an athiest RP supporter believes in freedom. Think about that the next time you see our rabid athiests here going after others based on what those others believe. The rabid athiests who claim to support freedom - don't really support freedom at all.

Rabid athiests are actually helping the state - tools if you will - regardless of whether they happen to be claiming the title "dem" or "gop" or even (gasp) Ron Paul supporters.

Emphasis, mine.
 
in your bold text you can replace "atheist" with any form of belief. and yes, a rabid atheist is a hard believer, ...but you see that makes him not an atheist. it makes him a God hater and therefore a theist. all atheists cannot be God haters because there is nothing in the place where there would be belief. On the other hand, all proclaimed God haters can be nothing but theistic. You can't hate something and then say it doesn't exist.
 
Wow the idiocy in this thread. It's the equivalent of you christians talking about how god is real, blah blah blah, and then I say "No I don't agree",

THEN YOU FLIP OUT AND ACT LIKE I AM HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD SAYING "DENY GOD OR I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY".

Enough already!

/FACEPALM
 
Wow the idiocy in this thread. It's the equivalent of you christians talking about how god is real, blah blah blah, and then I say "No I don't agree",

THEN YOU FLIP OUT AND ACT LIKE I AM HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD SAYING "DENY GOD OR I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY".

Enough already!

/FACEPALM

that didn't help at all
 
yeah, because i'm on your side. But i'm saying your methods aren't helping. QUIT USING ALL CAPS IT's OFFENSIVE....see. :)

the point is not to win the debate. That is impossible. The point is to have the debate.


*edit: Getting your panties in a bunch closes the debate.
 
I wouldn't call it Christianity as much as private sects of Christians failing. Also, the joy and wonderment of some of you pushing down your irreligious views (which are religious in nature, but you aren't intelligent enough to realize it) is laughable and hypocrisy.

Christianity without Christians wouldn't be a religion. If there are no believers then there is no religion. I don't push irreligious views. My views are religious in nature. Maybe, what Christians call the Holy Ghost dwells within me, I just don't buy into the worship of Jesus the Christ or the Christian God. My choice.

I mean this is a result of an over-sexualized culture, hell-bent on destruction and personal egotism, and we got this way be secularists shoving their crap of secularism down students throats and brainwashing them.

Perhaps, instead of blaming everything on an "over-sexualized culture, hell-bent on destruction and personal egotism" and "secularists shoving their crap of secularism down students throats and brainwashing them" you should look at the role Christians had to play. It is easy to play the victim. Take the harder road and examine your own actions that lead to this state.


Obviously, you guys can't make that connection. Christianity doesn't have a part in public schooling and Christianity has no inroads to teach any moral or beliefs in the schools and we wonder who is shoving crap down the other's throats?

Christianity should not be taught in public schools. There should be no "inroads" to teach any religion in public schools. School is about "readin' and writin' and 'rithmatic." Unless it is a Christian school. Perhaps that is the failing on your part.
Christians are free to create their own private schools and teach the programs of their choice. Perhaps Christians would be better suited to gather their tithes and create a school for like minded individuals. It has been done. Liberty University is growing in leaps and bounds. Instead of playing the part of victim to secularism in public schools you should create your own.

It's the moronic secularists who don't understand their beliefs are religious and intolerant and shove down their beliefs with the force of law.

But go ahead and pretend you're libertarians for free-speech and allowing the parents to teach the children as they see fit. It seems your hypocrisy knows no limits.

Parents are free to teach their children any religion they want. Perhaps it is Christians failing to teach their children a faith that can withstand the rigors of a secular school. To know that they will meet others of different religions in these schools and that they will come in contact with different views, but that true faith will overcome.

When this is over you will reap what you sow. Without a belief in God you will have what the Marxists knew was needed to accomplish their goals. If you don't believe me look at history, which you probably don't believe because it doesn't suit your agenda, and for a further diagnosis tell me if less Christianity is good in today's climate where we are losing our freedoms.

There is a connection, but the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance.

Heavy on the "oh, woe is me and damnation unto you for you do not believe as I believe" cliche. To bad. Maybe you are one of those Christians that is the cause of the decline in Christianity.

To sum it up. If Christians want to draw others into their ranks, perhaps they need to re-examine the things that have gotten them to this point.

Show others the teachings of Jesus the Christ in your everyday action. Jesus would not have condemned gays to death. I know that some of the Christians here will nit-pick that one. If you want to re-invigorate the Christian church you are probably gonna have to back down on that one. People just aren't finding it necessary to convert to an intolerable religion.

Create your own schools or better yet teach your children well. So well that exposure to outside influences will be of no consequence to them. What is it that the Christian God would ask in His followers? That they have faith only when not tempted by evil. The God from the Testaments that I read was all about tempting. Only then could a believer search hisself and find that he is a true believer.

Be like Jesus. Use some of your tithes and send promising young Christians to medical and nursing schools. Create out-patient facilities at your churches to help the homeless or downtrodden.

Get out of politics. Faith in a higher power transcends the bonds of human governments. I'm not saying don't fight for your rights. I am saying don't fight to limit the rights of others.
 
yeah, because i'm on your side. But i'm saying your methods aren't helping. QUIT USING ALL CAPS IT's OFFENSIVE....see. :)

the point is not to win the debate. That is impossible. The point is to have the debate.

Well I enjoy the debate up until I get accused of being violent or statist or any of that crap where they think I am trying to force them to stop having a religion. They can worship a sock for all I care.
 
Well I enjoy the debate up until I get accused of being violent or statist or any of that crap where they think I am trying to force them to stop having a religion. They can worship a sock for all I care.

:) this is very important! They accuse you of being all violenty and state like....so you become violent and statey. Every Christian you'll ever debate will know how to push your buttons to get you to lose your mind. And likewise, I'm sure you've pushed some buttons, too. Disconnect your reactions from your thoughts. You can't control your thoughts if they control your reactions.
 
Christianity should not be taught in public schools. There should be no "inroads" to teach any religion in public schools. School is about "readin' and writin' and 'rithmatic." Unless it is a Christian school. Perhaps that is the failing on your part.
Christians are free to create their own private schools and teach the programs of their choice. Perhaps Christians would be better suited to gather their tithes and create a school for like minded individuals. It has been done. Liberty University is growing in leaps and bounds. Instead of playing the part of victim to secularism in public schools you should create your own.

There should be no public schools, period. Of course parents should be free to teach their children what they believe is true. Public schools obviously are going to create this problem because once you have a centralized school everyone is going to fight over what is taught. Christians and everyone else need to realize this and start working for the decentralization and then removal of the public school system rather than fighting with each other as they try and push their own personal agenda through the corrupt public school system, which is the same as pushing their own beliefs and teachings on everyone else.
 
:) this is very important! They accuse you of being all violenty and state like....so you become violent and statey. Every Christian you'll ever debate will know how to push your buttons to get you to lose your mind. And likewise, I'm sure you've pushed some buttons, too. Disconnect your reactions from your thoughts. You can't control your thoughts if they control your reactions.

Pressing my caps lock key was violent? And I meant a supporter of the state, not stately. Also, once we are at the point where those accusations occur, I think the debate becomes moot at that point. That's not to say I don't appreciate your cool and collected input. :) I just think that they really DO think I am evil and they aren't simply trying to get a reaction out of me.
 
There should be no public schools, period. Of course parents should be free to teach their children what they believe is true. Public schools obviously are going to create this problem because once you have a centralized school everyone is going to fight over what is taught. Christians and everyone else need to realize this and start working for the decentralization and then removal of the public school system rather than fighting with each other as they try and push their own personal agenda through the corrupt public school system, which is the same as pushing their own beliefs and teachings on everyone else.

Kraig, there are a number of Christian parents who home school, for this very reason. And frankly, I think this and private schools, are the only way we're going to get away from the indoctrination being done by the brainwashed teachers, educated in largely, socialist teacher programs in universities, and the POS Department of Education. Who knows little else other than hawking indoctrination programs, such as No Child Left Behind, Outcomes-Based Education, etc.
 
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there should be no public schools, period. Of course parents should be free to teach their children what they believe is true. Public schools obviously are going to create this problem because once you have a centralized school everyone is going to fight over what is taught. Christians and everyone else need to realize this and start working for the decentralization and then removal of the public school system rather than fighting with each other as they try and push their own personal agenda through the corrupt public school system, which is the same as pushing their own beliefs and teachings on everyone else.

+ 10,000

qft!
 
There should be no public schools, period. Of course parents should be free to teach their children what they believe is true. Public schools obviously are going to create this problem because once you have a centralized school everyone is going to fight over what is taught. Christians and everyone else need to realize this and start working for the decentralization and then removal of the public school system rather than fighting with each other as they try and push their own personal agenda through the corrupt public school system, which is the same as pushing their own beliefs and teachings on everyone else.

Yes Kraig you are correct that there should be no public schools. I was not speaking of what should or should not be merely referring to what currently is. I think just about everyone on RPF agrees.;):)
 
Kraig, there are a number of Christian parents who home school, for this very reason.

Indeed! And I have to say I have been very impressed with some of the results. My sister is one of them, she home schools all of her kids.
 
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Pressing my caps lock key was violent? And I meant a supporter of the state, not stately. Also, once we are at the point where those accusations occur, I think the debate becomes moot at that point. That's not to say I don't appreciate your cool and collected input. :) I just think that they really DO think I am evil and they aren't simply trying to get a reaction out of me.

violence doesn't have to only be physical. And of course they think your evil! :D they have a monopoly on the "Good" and since you don't think like them you must have a monopoly on the "Bad"

*was using stately in a way not intended by its definition. I meant "supporter of the state". hence the use of the word "Violenty"
 
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