They are REALLLY Hammering Christianity now...another.

[Athan]

More attempts to divide us.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Uggh... another bashing post. Why do people think they have the right to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats?

Pretty BARBARIC isn't it?

 

[Theocrat]

God Will Not Be Mocked

I agree lol. I do tend to be more bothered by the intolerant Atheists than the intolerant Christians. The reason being that the Christians are insignificant. Christianity is dead, and those who wish to force their beliefs have very little influence left. Atheists, on the other hand, have a stranglehold on Christianity and won't let up. For me it's very much a case of speaking up for the underdog. Also because I used to be one of those intolerant Atheists.

With that kind of thinking, America is well on her way into a regime similar to the likes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and other ruthless dictators who also believed they had Christianity in a stranglehold. Remember, when governments try to get rid of God, they only seek to take His place. Without Christianity in a society, civilization will either deform or die.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I'm an Atheist myself. I'm just not arrogant enough to believe everyone has to follow my religion. Yes, Atheism is a religion, and just like any religion it has its zealots who would like to stamp out any and all traces of differing beliefs. There's no difference between an anti-Christian atheist and a Baptist preacher. Both are convinced that that their way is the one and only true way, and are dogmatically intolerant of all who disagree.

Thanks for the clarifications. Laissez Faire! Live and let live.

 

[Truth Warrior]

With that kind of thinking, America is well on her way into a regime similar to the likes of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and other ruthless dictators who also believed they had Christianity in a stranglehold. Remember, when governments try to get rid of God, they only seek to take His place. Without Christianity in a society, civilization will either deform or die.

Damn that "brainWashington", D.C.. @#*&$&*@$^^@#$!!! < GRRRRRR! >

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Whether one claims atheism is a religion or not, it is still a religion. Why? Because it is attempting to establish rituals to counter an existing culture established by Christianity.

i see. So it is impossible for a human being to exist without some system of belief?

 

[acptulsa]

i see. So it is impossible for a human being to exist without some system of belief?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-aqLUDMTTI

Mostly always enjoyed this scene. But I cannot subscribe to the line, "Doesn't matter if it's true or not."

 

[fedup100]

i see. So it is impossible for a human being to exist without some system of belief?

No it is impossible for this human race to be civil towards one another without a moral compass. The Holy spirit is holding your world together right now, when he splits and he will, then you will see true human nature.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Christians with faith (and Christianity), get a bad rap from the “Christians in name only”.

Sure there are other things out there that portray Christians poorly, but the #1 would be a “Christian in name only”.

As a Christian with faith -and a Patriot, I'd rather stand with an atheist who understands individual Liberty than a "Christian in name only". A CINO is more dangerous to individual Liberty and Christianity.

In the form of our government (INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY), Christians with faith understand what we are blessed with, a “CINO” effectively limits the power of God by asking government to enforce morality. Lack of faith.

A “CINO” shirks their own responsibility to their fellow man by giving government their own responsibility to help change lives for the better. Fear, laziness, and lack of faith.

A “CINO” will support foreign intervention, and misplaced alliances with non-Constitutional Republics (and non-Christian) nations for economic and national security concerns. Fear, greed, and lack of faith.

A politician “CINO” will try to sell the idea of government "help" for morality, or government "help" for charity, appealing to the weak in faith. Huckabee is a great example, as are the majority of the “CINO” politicians.

They are selling these ideas to the detriment of real Christian faith.

A “CINO” voter is foolish to think government interference in non-believers lives couldn’t possibly turn around to bite themselves.

A “CINO” essentially uses the same arguments as those they believe oppose them.

A Christian with faith understands the blessings that come from individual Liberty.

I understand full well the “beef” with “CINOs” in this thread, but please understand the difference between CINOs and Christians with a real faith.

I’m not sure Ron Paul explains the differences between CINOs and Christians in any of his writings, but, he does explain it by living his faith, by talking the talk and WALKING THE WALK. Championing individual Liberty.

Ol’ Ron understands the relationship between our form of government -INDIVIDUAL Liberty- and a strong Christian faith, and what is best to preserve and strengthen both.

Don’t be duped by those who water down the message of Liberty, and don’t be duped by those who water down the message of Christianity, those who will water down one, often water down the other.

Bunkloco

 

[fedup100]

Uggh... another bashing post. Why do people think they have the right to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats?

And just why are you always in on it?

 

[Theocrat]

It's a Matter of Worldviews

i see. So it is impossible for a human being to exist without some system of belief?

Yes, it is impossible. All human beings have a system of beliefs which are not exhaustively proven by empirical experience. In other words, all belief systems require a belief about something or someone which cannot be seen physically nor tested by natural science.

Because of this, "atheism" is a belief system, a religion which holds that God does not exist. Since the nonexistence of something or someone is impossible to prove (without absolute knowledge, which no "atheist" can claim to possess), then that assertion can only be made on the grounds of assumption and "blind" faith, predicated by a belief that only matter can exist.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, it is impossible.

So black and white. And agnostics?

I believe some people can get along just fine without having faith in anything they can't prove, and some can't.

If everyone were just exactly the same, what would we need liberty for?

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

"If everyone were just exactly the same, what would we need liberty for? -acptulsa

bravo

 

[Theocrat]

Rejecting the Creator Loses Our Basis for Anything

So black and white. And agnostics?

I believe some people can get along just fine without having faith in anything they can't prove, and some can't.

If everyone were just exactly the same, what would we need liberty for?

Let me suggest that those who claim to not have faith actually do so by assuming things which cannot be justified in their own worldview. For instance, some people claim that morality exists, but then go on believing that we're all just molecules in motion. However, molecules cannot give us morality because it's not in their nature to do such a thing.

So, those who would suggest there can be morality have to explain it on someone else's conception of morality because it doesn't make sense in their own worldview. Usually, they presume to use a Christian conception of morality to prove how morality can exist in the first place, even if they aren't aware that they're using such a conception.

So what I'm saying is that all people have some measure of faith, whether it's in God, reason, or electrochemical processes of the brain. That is inescapable. Humans were made to believe in something, and because of the Fall, sin allows men to believe things which are not honoring towards their Creator. Because of this, the creature would rather worship that which is created, until or unless God changes his heart and mind.

Liberty can only make sense if we're all on the same page about what constitutes liberty. So in that sense, we do need to be like-minded.

 

[Truth Warrior]

When was the last time crews of door-to-door atheists cruised your neighborhoods, recruiting new members and requesting financial contributions, under threats of eternal damnation, upon being refused? I also don't EVER seem to recall EVER being accosted by an atheist at the grocery store.

 

[Theocrat]

Subtle Evangelism in Public

When was the last time crews of door-to-door atheists cruised your neighborhoods, recruiting new members and requesting financial contributions, under threats of eternal damnation, upon being refused?

They don't have to go door-to-door in neighborhoods when their teachings are inculcated into the minds of children in public schools and promoted in the hearts of parents by the propaganda of the media in their homes.

 

[Uriel999]

Uggh... another Christian bashing thread. Why do atheists think they have the right to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats.

Ummm, no. If you actually paid attention you would see this is an agnostic/atheist bashing thread.

Whether one claims atheism is a religion or not, it is still a religion. Why? Because it is attempting to establish rituals to counter an existing culture established by Christianity.

Ummm atheists have rituals? Hrmmm I guess I have some rituals...I wake up every day and immediately take a shower. Then I drink 2-3 cups of coffee while surfing the internet. After that I go do all the things I need to do for the day. Once completed, I typically crack open a beer and surf the internet some more or i go out to some bars with friends. At no point in the day do I go worship at a Richard Dalkins shrine.

I do not care who you worship, but I am getting tired of seeing self-righteous pretentious bible thumpers holding signs on street corners damning everybody to hell all the while they have some innocent kids participating too. In the last two cities I have lived in I have seen many disgusting Fred Phelpesesque (lol I made up a word) actions by the evangelicals. Ya'll should get the planks out of your own eyes before you try to blame everything on those who do not practice a faith.

 

[Truth Warrior]

They don't have to go door-to-door in neighborhoods when their teachings are inculcated into the minds of children in public schools and promoted in the hearts of parents by the propaganda of the media in their homes.

Sounds like there may be some "glitches" in the "government schooling" systems. Aren't those OVERSEEN, REGULATED, RUN and FUNDED by Christians, by and large?

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Let me suggest that those who claim to not have faith actually do so by assuming things which cannot be justified in their own worldview. For instance, some people claim that morality exists, but then go on believing that we're all just molecules in motion. However, molecules cannot give us morality because it's not in their nature to do such a thing.

So, those who would suggest there can be morality have to explain it on someone else's conception of morality because it doesn't make sense in their own worldview. Usually, they presume to use a Christian conception of morality to prove how morality can exist in the first place, even if they aren't aware that they're using such a conception.

So what I'm saying is that all people have some measure of faith, whether it's in God, reason, or electrochemical processes of the brain. That is inescapable. Humans were made to believe in something, and because of the Fall, sin allows men to believe things which are not honoring towards their Creator. Because of this, the creature would rather worship that which is created, until or unless God changes his heart and mind.

Liberty can only make sense if we're all on the same page about what constitutes liberty. So in that sense, we do need to be like-minded.

everything you are talking about is on the intellectual level. A good movie to watch is "The Dhamma Brothers" (that's dhamma not dharma)

It's a documentary about a maximum security prison in the deep South that introduces Vipassana meditation. It is NOT about converting people. In fact that very issue is raised. I highly recommend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA8XFEyeMi8
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=dhamma brothers&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

we spend so much time arguing intellectual ideas and not enough time experiencing our own experience.

 

[Dr.3D]

And just why are you always in on it?

It's one thing to make a comment and another to be "in on it."

By what you just said, you would also be considered to be "in on it" since you also made a comment.

My comment was just a neutral comment, thus could not be considered "in on it." I do believe I waste my breath with this particular posting as it is nothing more than than brushing the sand out of my hair after a sandbox fight in the school yard.

Perhaps we all need to grow up a bit.