There Is Hope In A Crash!

[jclay2]

All right after thinking about the awful position our country is in financially, I started thinking that if a crash were to come there might be a good amount of light at the end of the tunnel. Take Germany for instance. They went through a crash from about late 1910's to late 1930's. Yes, I know that hitler came and started the war drumbs again, but the fact remains is that their financial position improved tremendously. And even when they suffered another crash with the end of world war 2, west germany emerged as one of the greatest economic miracles of this lifetime. It may take time, but if we get the right leadership during a crash things might not turn out so bad. On the other hand, if a crash were to happen that could end up putting a very bad leader on our hands such as what happened in germany. But at least there is a tad bit of hope left.

 

[Sandra]

A crash is good for community and worship. They pull together to enhance living standards both economically and spiritually. Read stories from the Depression , also TV shows like the Waltons were inspired from that time as well.

 

[Aratus]

the depression had FDR!!! keeping things in perspective!!!

 

[Aratus]

lets not hope or pray for a crash like 1929 anytime soon!!!!
we were so close to a military junta taking over this nation!!!

 

[freedominnumbers]

I pray for a great depression. I will emerge a rich man. And we all know money brings political power. If enough of us get rich off knowledge of sound economics we can seize control of the country with our wealth.

 

[jclay2]

I didn't say it was a sure thing. All I am saying is that people have recovered before. Yes, we could end up much worse than where we started, but there is also a possiblity that we have a leader who steps up and does the right thing. Personally, I am more biased to the first scenario because of what happened with wonderful mr. socialis/fdr during the depression. But there is a little hope I think.

 

[Catatonic]

The net result of the last depression was a public more willing to accept socialism. I don't really see why people think the country will 'wake up' just because everyone's starving...

I spent some time in SE asia, in some of the more rural third world areas, and I noticed an extreme sense of community/family that we don't have here anymore. This diminished greatly within the same country/culture when I'd go into the more upper class areas. My point being this is probably a result of everyone being broke and needing to depend on each other.

Were there any Ron Paul types in 1929 trying to wake people up? Maybe if we have someone in place to capitalize on people's shock we can accomplish something.

 

[Sandra]

The enemy during the Depression was the "revinoor". Even those with a more locally communal way of living , hated interference from the Fed.

 

[jaybone]

On the other side of what I see as an unavoidable financial collapse lie two possibilities:
#1 - A totalitarian fascist state, and a new Dark Ages.
#2 - a beautiful New American Renaissance, where there is constitutional money, robust manufacturing sector, little if any taxes, peace, freedom and prosperity for all that wish to work for it.

Which one we get is a direct function of how willing the public is to accept the whole ugly truth of our corrupted system.

 

[PatriotG]

On the other side of what I see as an unavoidable financial collapse lie two possibilities:
#1 - A totalitarian fascist state, and a new Dark Ages.
#2 - a beautiful New American Renaissance, where there is constitutional money, robust manufacturing sector, little if any taxes, peace, freedom and prosperity for all that wish to work for it.

Which one we get is a direct function of how willing the public is to accept the whole ugly truth of our corrupted system.

Based on what I percieve right now about John Q. American, #1

I wish it were not so, but Ive learned alot about people in the last 8 months.
They dont seem to care really.

 

[Libertytree]

"I pray for a great depression. I will emerge a rich man. And we all know money brings political power. If enough of us get rich off knowledge of sound economics we can seize control of the country with our wealth."

Or the PTB will rip your and our ass a new one, we all might be starting from scratch. In a new system wealth may very well be meaningless. Sorry to be such a downer but all possible scenario's need to be envisioned.

 

[acptulsa]

I strongly recommend reading It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis. He describes how fascism could easily come to the U.S. Forewarned is forearmed. It's also, like most of Mr. Lewis' canon, a good read.

 

[jclay2]

Well, it does give me some hope knowing that over history, many empires become great again with a good leader. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky.

 

[Signzit]

Hope or revenge?

Do you mean CRASH like 29'? Hope or revenge in a crash like 1929.

The World will not step in like we did for Germany after the War.

I'm torn. Like always, there will be winners and losers.

The People I would like to see (hope), get the greatest "come-up pence" will be insulated, for the most part and not really suffer any significant losses relative to the "group". A Collectivist Government will surely take over; a Bush, McPain, Hiterly, Obomba Police State under Marshall Law will rule.

It will be the producer/worker, the little guy, Joe SixPack, that will bare the brunt of the losses in a crash/reorganization of the economy. With 24 Million people on food stamps today and growing with daily TV Ads, they are creating dependencies on a grand scale. You name it and we have some sort of dependency or subsidies attached in the public and private sectors.

I've heard, The United States is 3% of the World's population, however we consume 24% of the World's resources. How long will the World allow this to happen, in this, our NEW- Global Economy of Global Warming?

If you believe the stories of trains being fitted with shackles and the gas chambers at these major Railway stations; then it might not be too wise to become dependent on their system or for that matter, any system the Government controls. Who among us will be rounded-up, if any?

The Question is, if you join their systems; Do you 1.) become an asset/voter, a user/consumer of said services and thereby adding to their power structure, or 2.) do those people NOT part of the system, refusing to sign on and remaining independent; Do they NOW become uncontrollable dissidents, outside of the system that need to be dealt with?

How do you decide?

Independent self-sustaining people don't need a Socialized Government and are maybe 20% (or higher, what do i know) and left alone will eventually leave Government with NO chattel but these same independent people require no management and independently produce outside of the system. A wash you might say; are "They" the ones to be rounded-up?

The subsidized, Dependant group, make 70% of mass and ARE the pillars of the Socialized Government's power base; however they do not produce relative to the group and require almost total maintenance BUT these people participate/contribute to the system. These people are easily controlled and will never wish to leave the system. Will "They be rounded-up, as a cost benefit to the system?

Will it happen in your life time or that of your kids?

The Fed and the US Treasury keep kicking the can down the road. When they miss that can and stub their toe, it's going to be huge, we may have to become Cannibals and then Government will step in and save us all; until then- I will eat my fill and so will many of you! lol

Of course after the Government steps in, they will make hunting humans for personal consumption illegal and ONLY State Sanctioned Soylent Green Human Patties will be legal as food!

So What side are you on, or hope to be on?

So there's your HOPE!

 

[Deborah K]

Based on what I percieve right now about John Q. American, #1

I wish it were not so, but Ive learned alot about people in the last 8 months.
They dont seem to care really.

I've learned a lot about people too. I call them media-mall zombies because they take what they see on the news channels as truth (media zombie) and they spend their spare time buying a bunch of needless crap on credit (mall zombie) getting themselves further and further into debt in an effort to fill the void in their meaningless lives.

It doesn't take much research to discover the same corporations that own the media, press, publishing companies, etc. are also members of the CFR . They also have their fingers in the pies of other muliti-national corporations. The same corporations that are working to merge us with Canada and Mexico. The same corporations who control our political system through unscrupulous lobbying methods. My guess is they are also stockholders of the Federal Reserve but I can't find that information because it is kept private. Imagine that....the Fed is a private organization with private stockholders, of which you and I cannot buy shares, or know who they are, and yet they control our economy, our markets, and the issuance of our currency.

When you spend enough time with people on this, you eventually remove the plug from the back of their heads. The problem is, we don't have enough time. We need to produce a pamphlet or booklet that we can pass out to everyone we come in contact with, that explains the above with easily verifiable sources. It's time to change our tactics in this regard.

The media is our enemy. And most of the pundits aren't even aware that they are. Of course, we will never unplug everyone, but we're never going to stop the NAU if we don't alert enough people.

Just watch the first 10 minutes or so of this documentary, it explains how the media has been used to turn people into media-mall zombies. Be grateful that you are not one and do what you can to save those who are......

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...710&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Our government, with the help of Edward L Bernays, took techniques learned from Bernays' uncle, Sigmund Freud, and used them to manipulate the masses.

We need to learn those same techniques to win the masses back....to unplug them.

 

[Charles Wilson]

On the other side of what I see as an unavoidable financial collapse lie two possibilities:
#1 - A totalitarian fascist state, and a new Dark Ages.
#2 - a beautiful New American Renaissance, where there is constitutional money, robust manufacturing sector, little if any taxes, peace, freedom and prosperity for all that wish to work for it.

Which one we get is a direct function of how willing the public is to accept the whole ugly truth of our corrupted system.

Well said. IMHO if we do not fight for #2, we will surely end up with #1.

 

[Deborah K]

There are more of us than there are of them. It's time......

 

[Tom228]

The reason behind Germany's great economic return in the 30s had to do with Hitler rearming and rebuilding its military. To do that you need to build factories and create jobs. It's not exactly the most positive rebound...

 

[JRegs85]

What keeps my hopes up is the fact that 1/3+ of all people are gunowners. That makes martial law or a dictatorship far less likely. The more people armed, the better, even if it's a simple .22 rifle.

 

[2orb]

What keeps my hopes up is the fact that 1/3+ of all people are gunowners. That makes martial law or a dictatorship far less likely. The more people armed, the better, even if it's a simple .22 rifle.

The numbers indicate we should be okay.

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828