There Is Hope In A Crash!

[Mr. White]

Do you mean CRASH like 29'? Hope or revenge in a crash like 1929.

The World will not step in like we did for Germany after the War.

I'm torn. Like always, there will be winners and losers.

The People I would like to see (hope), get the greatest "come-up pence" will be insulated, for the most part and not really suffer any significant losses relative to the "group". A Collectivist Government will surely take over; a Bush, McPain, Hiterly, Obomba Police State under Marshall Law will rule.

It will be the producer/worker, the little guy, Joe SixPack, that will bare the brunt of the losses in a crash/reorganization of the economy. With 24 Million people on food stamps today and growing with daily TV Ads, they are creating dependencies on a grand scale. You name it and we have some sort of dependency or subsidies attached in the public and private sectors.

I've heard, The United States is 3% of the World's population, however we consume 24% of the World's resources. How long will the World allow this to happen, in this, our NEW- Global Economy of Global Warming?

If you believe the stories of trains being fitted with shackles and the gas chambers at these major Railway stations; then it might not be too wise to become dependent on their system or for that matter, any system the Government controls. Who among us will be rounded-up, if any?

The Question is, if you join their systems; Do you 1.) become an asset/voter, a user/consumer of said services and thereby adding to their power structure, or 2.) do those people NOT part of the system, refusing to sign on and remaining independent; Do they NOW become uncontrollable dissidents, outside of the system that need to be dealt with?

How do you decide?

Independent self-sustaining people don't need a Socialized Government and are maybe 20% (or higher, what do i know) and left alone will eventually leave Government with NO chattel but these same independent people require no management and independently produce outside of the system. A wash you might say; are "They" the ones to be rounded-up?

The subsidized, Dependant group, make 70% of mass and ARE the pillars of the Socialized Government's power base; however they do not produce relative to the group and require almost total maintenance BUT these people participate/contribute to the system. These people are easily controlled and will never wish to leave the system. Will "They be rounded-up, as a cost benefit to the system?

Will it happen in your life time or that of your kids?

The Fed and the US Treasury keep kicking the can down the road. When they miss that can and stub their toe, it's going to be huge, we may have to become Cannibals and then Government will step in and save us all; until then- I will eat my fill and so will many of you! lol

Of course after the Government steps in, they will make hunting humans for personal consumption illegal and ONLY State Sanctioned Soylent Green Human Patties will be legal as food!

So What side are you on, or hope to be on?

So there's your HOPE!

It was fun to watch that thread go from reasonably reasonable to spiraling out of control.

 

[Deborah K]

The numbers indicate we should be okay.

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828

You may be assuming too much. If they come to your door and demand your weapons like they did in New Orleans, do you know for sure whether you would risk your life to keep your weapons? I doubt many people would.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&feature=related

Here's what happens when you try to fight those who violate your constitutional rights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M

and then you have morons like Bill O'Reilly spouting off BS like the government knows what we need better than we do.

 

[Deborah K]

It was fun to watch that thread go from reasonably reasonable to spiraling out of control.

hehe the subject did take a turn, didn't it? Oh well, it's all relative.

 

[buffalokid777]

It was fun to watch that thread go from reasonably reasonable to spiraling out of control.

Obviously a paid detractor to drive those wth sense away from sense......everyone here is nuts like me.....nothing to see....move along........

 

[buffalokid777]

The numbers indicate we should be okay.

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2834893820070828

You may be assuming too much. If they come to your door and demand your weapons like they did in New Orleans, do you know for sure whether you would risk your life to keep your weapons? I doubt many people would.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&feature=related

Here's what happens when you try to fight those who violate your constitutional rights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M

and then you have morons like Bill O'Reilly spouting off BS like the government knows what we need better than we do.

Guns also aren't effective against tanks..........if tyranny comes to America, you will really have only one real choice to avoid it......relocate somewhere where tyranny hasn't took hold yet........

 

[DrCap]

From Polybius' History (a Greek historian who lived during roman times) written around 150 B.C.

The natural order of governments:
-Despotism/Kingship
-Aristocracy
-Oligarchy
-Democracy
-Mob- Rule
-Despotism etc.

Hopefully with technology we can skip some of the less palatable forms of government.

 

[buffalokid777]

From Polybius' History (a Greek historian who lived during roman times) written around 150 B.C.

The natural order of governments:
-Despotism/Kingship
-Aristocracy
-Oligarchy
-Democracy
-Mob- Rule
-Despotism etc.

Hopefully with technology we can skip some of the less palatable forms of government.

You miss the constitutional republic form of government....(which the USA was Meant to be)........

Tell us what is your preffered form of government and what ones you listed you consider unpalatable,,,,,I feel all the ones you listed as unpalatable......I only see the constitutional republic form of government as the only one that is palatable in a long lastng government........it IS the DUTY of the STRONG to PROTECT THE WEAK........

 

[Libertytree]

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Alexander Tyler

 

[buffalokid777]

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Alexander Tyler

And that is why I consider democracy unpalatable.......the founders considered these same arguments and that is WHY they arrived at a choice of a constitutional republic............too bad the numbskulls in this country think we ARE a democracy and that is the way we always have been..........it wasnt this way until the 1900's.......and now we are seeing the decline from the shift away from what the framers of this country envisioned it to be.......

 

[DrCap]

You miss the constitutional republic form of government....(which the USA was Meant to be)........

Tell us what is your preffered form of government and what ones you listed you consider unpalatable,,,,,I feel all the ones you listed as unpalatable......I only see the constitutional republic form of government as the only one that is palatable in a long lastng government........it IS the DUTY of the STRONG to PROTECT THE WEAK........

A Kingship I rule
but seriously- this was written DURING THE ROMAN REPUBLIC - so the idea of a constitutional republic was the form of govt at the time, it's more of a basic movement from one major form to another.

At the time Rome was a republic, with a fairly complex system of checks and balances - senate, consul (like a president), some voters (not everyone voted - only citizens). budget constraints that prevented unneeded war, sound currency (a pretty good system)... but also slavery, grain handouts to keep the masses down, persecution at times-

 

[buffalokid777]

A Kingship I rule
but seriously- this was written DURING THE ROMAN REPUBLIC - so the idea of a constitutional republic was the form of govt at the time, it's more of a basic movement from one major form to another.

At the time Rome was a republic, with a fairly complex system of checks and balances - senate, consul (like a president), some voters (not everyone voted - only citizens). budget constraints that prevented unneeded war, sound currency (a pretty good system)... but also slavery, grain handouts to keep the masses down, persecution at times-

The way I see a constitutional republic is a government that will prevent 99% from infringing on the god given rights of the 1% who disagree as long as the 1% are not infringing the rights of the other 99%........

For example let's say 99% of the population grow wheat......1 % grow corn.......the 1% who grow corn make more money than the 99% who grow wheat due to supply and demand.....and the 99% who grow wheat think the 1% who grow corn are cutting into their profits as they are getting much more per bushel for their corn.....so the 99% growing wheat pass a law outlawing corn.......

A constitutional republic would not allow the 99% to pass a law outlawing corn......a democracy would allow the growing of corn to be outlawed in that situation......

Isn't that why the framers wanted a constitutional republic? and if you disagree.....show me where I am wrong......

 

[Deborah K]

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Alexander Tyler

This quote should be spread far and wide!

 

[Mr. White]

Obviously a paid detractor to drive those wth sense away from sense......everyone here is nuts like me.....nothing to see....move along........

God I wish I WAS paid to read half the crap on here. There was actually worthwhile information on last Fall, now it's predominately delusional, paranoid fantasies like the poster above.

 

[tmosley]

Guns also aren't effective against tanks..........if tyranny comes to America, you will really have only one real choice to avoid it......relocate somewhere where tyranny hasn't took hold yet........

Guns aren't, but bombs in socks coated with tar are. When they step out to try to fix the tracks, guns become quite effective.

Also, there aren't enough tanks in the US armory to occupy the entire country, anyways.

 

[Signzit]

God I wish I WAS paid to read half the crap on here. There was actually worthwhile information on last Fall, now it's predominately delusional, paranoid fantasies like the poster above.

Delusional?

Delusional is an interesting word.

A suggestion might be; to write down the number of Media sources and the types of Media one consumes daily- then, decide if it appears to be canned and/or redundant. We all know that Answer, so, the intelligent question is: Why is all this Media the same? The Answer, it must be the truth, everyone's saying it! Right ("FOX NEWS! Fair & Balanced")?

We have been programmed to reject, what is not group think. We take comfort in the group and, Belong.

We all know something is wrong, it's just under the surface; for some of us, it's on the tips of our tongues; we just can't bring ourselves to say it out loud. You must reach outside of your comfort zone.

Delusional people play their role in the extremes, they provide mental cover, for the slow and weak minded; allowing them to step slowly out of their comfort zone and into free thought. You're Welcome!

How might you feel in two months, once the "Delusional" have cracked your shell of understanding?

 

[DrCap]

The way I see a constitutional republic is a government that will prevent 99% from infringing on the god given rights of the 1% who disagree as long as the 1% are not infringing the rights of the other 99%........

For example let's say 99% of the population grow wheat......1 % grow corn.......the 1% who grow corn make more money than the 99% who grow wheat due to supply and demand.....and the 99% who grow wheat think the 1% who grow corn are cutting into their profits as they are getting much more per bushel for their corn.....so the 99% growing wheat pass a law outlawing corn.......

A constitutional republic would not allow the 99% to pass a law outlawing corn......a democracy would allow the growing of corn to be outlawed in that situation......

Isn't that why the framers wanted a constitutional republic? and if you disagree.....show me where I am wrong......

Basically I think that is correct- the advantage a constitutional republic has is that it limits the power of the government. Essentially you can have the idea that if you had a truly benevolent king/dictator whatever- then that person or organization could fairly allow people to live their own lives - the problem comes in when you give anyone that power, they will likely abuse it. Individuals/groups/corporations will all try to use the government to abuse and control others - economically or otherwise. So the best long term solution is to LIMIT your government, and essentially ask it to police itself so that it stays limited. That's why our constitution is mostly about the limits of government, and basically says- these are the ONLY things the federal government should do, anything else is not in the Fed's realm- that's really where we have gone astray. The people have allowed it, thus congress didn't stop FDR, the courts were bullied and have never had the nerve to stand up again, and we are left with a government that continues to push more and more into people's lives.
I'm not sure I would trust myself to even be benevolent... after a while wouldn't I feel that my salary wasn't enough and want to - you know- take a meal for free (from the american people) or some other minor abuse- have a lavish banquet, drink a drink etc... the slippery slope is too strong for anyone to avoid and so no one should have the power to do something to someone else in the name of government that which is unethical to do to someone individually.

 

[Fox McCloud]

the "German miracle" isn't so much of a miracle as it was foreign countries injecting billions of dollars into the country....also, need I remind you Germany is, in essence, the leader of the European Union, not to mention and extremely socialistic country?

 

[Mr. White]

Delusional?

Delusional is an interesting word.

A suggestion might be; to write down the number of Media sources and the types of Media one consumes daily- then, decide if it appears to be canned and/or redundant. We all know that Answer, so, the intelligent question is: Why is all this Media the same? The Answer, it must be the truth, everyone's saying it! Right ("FOX NEWS! Fair & Balanced")?

We have been programmed to reject, what is not group think. We take comfort in the group and, Belong.

We all know something is wrong, it's just under the surface; for some of us, it's on the tips of our tongues; we just can't bring ourselves to say it out loud. You must reach outside of your comfort zone.

Delusional people play their role in the extremes, they provide mental cover, for the slow and weak minded; allowing them to step slowly out of their comfort zone and into free thought. You're Welcome!

How might you feel in two months, once the "Delusional" have cracked your shell of understanding?

Ah intellectual rhetoric addressed at nothing in particular. Nothing like a broad-based rejection stemmed in the simple fact that if so many people in power agree, it must be false. Follow that up with the typical "you wait and see until the unspecified but very near time in the future" and it's like every other 'delusional' post on here.

Yes, things get bad, yes things get better. You sit back and constantly predict things will finally crash and you will eventually be right.

 

[Carole]

Congressman McFadden
on the Federal Reserve Corporation
Remarks in Congress, 1934
AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/mcfadden-frb.html

 

[buffalokid777]

Basically I think that is correct- the advantage a constitutional republic has is that it limits the power of the government. Essentially you can have the idea that if you had a truly benevolent king/dictator whatever- then that person or organization could fairly allow people to live their own lives - the problem comes in when you give anyone that power, they will likely abuse it. Individuals/groups/corporations will all try to use the government to abuse and control others - economically or otherwise. So the best long term solution is to LIMIT your government, and essentially ask it to police itself so that it stays limited. That's why our constitution is mostly about the limits of government, and basically says- these are the ONLY things the federal government should do, anything else is not in the Fed's realm- that's really where we have gone astray. The people have allowed it, thus congress didn't stop FDR, the courts were bullied and have never had the nerve to stand up again, and we are left with a government that continues to push more and more into people's lives.
I'm not sure I would trust myself to even be benevolent... after a while wouldn't I feel that my salary wasn't enough and want to - you know- take a meal for free (from the american people) or some other minor abuse- have a lavish banquet, drink a drink etc... the slippery slope is too strong for anyone to avoid and so no one should have the power to do something to someone else in the name of government that which is unethical to do to someone individually.

But isnt the reasons you stated in the above post.......proves that a constitutional republic is the only palatable form of government.....in a democracy.....the majority will prey upon the minority.....in a constitutional republic.....the majority cannot prey upon the minority......because of principles.......show me where im wrong?

I see limited government as not what makes a constitutional repulic happen........but rather a limited government is the result of a constitutional republic......