The "TikTok ban" goes beyond TikTok. It is another huge step toward total control.

Yes, it is reasonable, because we are at war for our very survival.

Our survival includes the preservation of western civilization, unique and alone in its defense of the individual and the rights thereof.

If we do not accept that there will have to be sacrifices made, and a collective effort made, and harden ourselves, in order to defend that civilization, then the forces of global Marxism will win, and a 1000 year dark age will descend across the globe, resulting in tyranny and loss of liberty, globally, for centuries.

TikTok does not in itself pose any significant danger to Western civilization. It's just a social media app. As is the case for Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, etc., the vast majority of the content it conveys is innocuous and unobjectionable (except perhaps on grounds that it is excessively pedestrian and trivial - but that only serves to reinforce the point of its essential harmlessness).

To the extent that TikTok conveys some amount of content that can be deemed as being "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda" (however defined), this is no less true of other social media venues, and banning TikTok will do nothing to put a stop to the creation and dissemination of such material [1]. If TikTok is banned, then that stuff will simply migrate to those myriad other platforms. At worst, TikTok is just a symptom, not the source - and therein lies the problem ...

I was very specific in saying I would support shutting down TikTok due to the fact that it is toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda.

I would support no manner of "mission creep" past that point.

The particular reasons for which you and others think TikTok and only TikTok ought to be banned are not really germane to the point I am trying to make. I wasn't asking why you support banning TikTok. Given that you do support banning it (for whatever reasons), I was trying to get at how you can imagine it could even be possible to avoid the "mission creep" you disavow.

I don't doubt the sincerity of your disavowal - but I don't think it makes any sense, either. It is unavoidably belied and inescapably contradicted by the logic of your support for such a ban (regardless of whatever the reasons for that support might be). If it makes compelling sense to ban a particular "Chinese controlled" social media app (e.g., TikTok) because it spreads some amount of "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda" (or because the Chinese are spying on their users, or because whatever), then how can it fail to be just as compellingly sensible to ban other social media apps that (do or could) serve exactly the same function, regardless of whether they are "controlled" (or even merely "influenced" or "guided") by the Chinese (or by the Russians, or the Israelis, or some native "homegrown" group or organization, or ... whomever)? How is it possible to justify the TikTok ban without also justifying all the "mission creep" to follow? Or conversely, if you reject the "mission creep", then what's the point of the TikTok ban? After all, the disseminators of the material you imagine you are forestalling will simply and safely find other "paths of least resistance" - paths for which you have already explicitly disavowed any attempts to ban.

IOW: How does banning TikTok not end up being either (1) useless, ineffective, and futile (for the purpose of preserving Western civilization/values/etc.), or (2) applied generally upon everyone (not just TikTok and its users) by politicians and bureaucrats according to whatever standards they arbitrarily please to adopt? How can either of these possibly redound to the net benefit of human liberty or Western civilization?



[1] I recently said the following in another thread:
Thanks to the Internet in general and so-called "social media" in particular, the establishmentarians have completely lost their stranglehold over (the dissemination of) narratives. They are desperate to find a way to get it back.

They can still do some damage and wreck some peoples' lives, but ultimately [...] they will fail.

This ain't the mimeographed samizdat of our (grand)fathers' day.

/white-pill

But that cuts both ways. It applies every bit as much to attempts by would-be defenders of the West to control or eliminate what they consider to be "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda" as it does to attempts by establishmentarians to control or eliminate what they consider to be "toxic mind poison and enemy ('domestic extremist' ?) propaganda". But it won't work for the former any better than for the latter. For better and for worse, the genie is out of the bottle, and it ain't goin' back - and liberty and Western values can only be damaged further by trying to make it.
 
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Total coincidence I'm sure that WEF Davos members Warner and Thune introduce this bill a couple months after the 2024 Davos main theme was censorship. Total coincidence.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I do remember a YT vid few WEF members saying how there are platforms which their members cant control.
 
TikTok does not in itself pose any significant danger to Western civilization. It's just a social media app.

And Tokyo Rose was just a radio broadcaster.

I'll grant many of your points, they are valid and well stated.

Perhaps my better judgement is blinded by my desire to have the government of a hostile nation that released a man made plague on the world that has killed millions, held accountable in some way.

Shutting down one of their US propaganda organs would have been a tiny first step.
 
And Tokyo Rose was just a radio broadcaster.

A vitally important distinction to keep in mind between social media in contrast to "one-way" venues (such as radio broadcasts) is that social media affords the opportunity to "clap back" with visibility just as great as - and in some cases, even greater than - the visibility of whatever is being "clapped back" against. (See my final paragraph below, for example.)

I'll grant many of your points, they are valid and well stated.

Perhaps my better judgement is blinded by my desire to have the government of a hostile nation that released a man made plague on the world that has killed millions, held accountable in some way.

Shutting down one of their US propaganda organs would have been a tiny first step.

Just to be clear, I understand and sympathize with your motives.

The elements in China (and the U.S.) responsible for creating and (intentionally or unintentionally) loosing COVID absolutely should be held to account (and alas! that they almost certainly will not be).

I also agree that TikTok is indeed a primary popular venue for the dissemination of what you refer to as "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda" (despite that such material makes up only quite a small part of its overall content). But it is not the only one, by far - and banning it would accomplish nothing but (1) perhaps some brief, transient psychic gratification that "something" had been done, and (2) initiating a totalitarian "mission creep" cure that would end up being worse than the disease (and that would even actually facilitate the wider spread of the disease to other platforms).

It also occurs to me that there is more than just a little utility in having a locus such as TikTok in which "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda" is concentrated and can be so readily observed and identified for what it is. There is nothing subtle or obscure about it, and that is to our advantage. In fact, that is the basis for the success of sources such as "Libs of TikTok", whose task of giving wider public exposure to the batshit insanity of far-left progressivism is made much easier with TikTok than without it [1]. Consider also that if TikTok ought to be banned as disseminators of "toxic mind poison and enemy propaganda", then it follows that sources such as "Libs of TikTok" would also need to be banned - and for the same reason.



[1] See for example the following random sample, from less than an hour ago as I write this:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1769803155204604173

 
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Most Social Media platforms are banned in China.
By doing this US govt wont be any different from communist china.

Not that i care about Tik Tok but the ban is a slippery slope.
 
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1768369516155711888
Yesterday's House vote to either force the sale of Tik Tok or ban it entirely from the US is the most dangerous and anti-American act since the passage of the PATRIOT Act!

The law will give the US president SOLE AUTHORITY to determine which businesses can and cannot operate in the United States.

It is a full government takeover of our basic liberties.

Watch today's Liberty Report below:
 
https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1768369516155711888


Who am I to argue with Ron?

It's a moot issue anyway.

This government is shot full of Chinese moles and Quislings, to the point where there will never be any accountability for releasing COVID19 on an unsuspecting world.

Not from these fucking people anyway.

I hope the 100% fatal bio weapon plague they have just conceived and tested on human ACE2-transgenic mice isn't too painful.

I withdraw my support for the concept.

I never supported the final bill.

In so withdrawing, I also concede defeat.

If we cannot get our heads out of our asses long enough to take a wartime measure, to block foreign propaganda, from a nation that unleashed biological warfare on us and killed and is still killing, millions of fellow US citizens, and not craft that in such a way that it does not "creep" or does not impinge other legitimate platforms from functioning free of government shut down and authoritarianism, then we sure as shit will not be able to wage a conventional war, or seal the border and deport the invaders, or even pay down our debt.

It's done...
 
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First up: banning any apps deemed by the feds to be "controlled by the Chinese government".

Next up: banning any apps deemed by the feds to be "controlled by the Chinese Russian government" ... and then any apps deemed by the feds to be "controlled influenced by the Chinese government" ... and then apps deemed by the feds to be "controlled influenced by the Chinese Russian government" ... and so on ... and so on ... and on ... and on ...


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What? They're really after TwiX? But the title of the bill says it was just to ban TikTok!
 
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