The Ron Paul coalition is breaking up

[Dianne]

Clearly the problem was the intolerant authoritarians who can't tolerate even people saying good things about other candidates. Someone rooting for Trump and Rand, or Trump, Cruz, and Rand, can't be tolerated.

That said, that was in the forum, which has very little effect in the real world. What does have an effect in the real world is Rand attacking Trump, that made no strategic sense.

I have to agree with you on that. I said it before the debate, and after the debate. It was almost as though Rand was going on a suicide mission. My gut tells me Rand doesn't want this, never has. I didn't believe he was ready for prime time and suggested he sit this election cycle out, to begin with !!

Rand would make a great President, but he lacks maturity. I almost wish he would call it now, before he does too much harm to his brand. Reason to bow out graciously? Years ago, he made a commitment to the people of Kentucky when they elected him. He believes the country is better served by his continuing to serve in the Congress on behalf of his constituents in Kentucky, as well as all citizens of the United States. The race for President (AT THIS TIME), is somewhat distracting from the business of the people.

I believe Hillary should bow out as well. Not that I'm comparing the two, as they are vast worlds apart. Hillary should declare again, she did nothing wrong (bullchit), but the mere suggestion of impropriety has led her to leave the campaign so as the integrity of a Presidential campaign is not called into question. Of course, her husband Bill is on the golf course today with Obama, so I'm sure they are working together on a cover up.

 

[Dianne]

Rand is absolutely terrific as he identifies problems and legislation he has introduced. He is a fabulous and invaluable member of Congress .. I just don't think he is ready for the corruption and beauty contest mentality that comes with a Presidential campaign.

 

[fr33]

Here are some of their recent comments:

Well that quote from me was aimed at someone on this forum who wants to build a wall along Mexico and shoot anyone who tries to cross it. That's some straight up Stasi bullshit and Ron Paul never supported any of that. The person I was criticizing is a Bircher and I found it useful to point out how similar they are to the communists they claim to oppose.

With that said, I have lost some respect for Ron Paul due to some things he's done after retiring and through using hindsight to examine his last presidential campaign.

 

[acptulsa]

Rand would make a great President, but he lacks maturity.

Oh well just God damn.

You do realize, don't you, that he's the only adult in the whole fucking city of Washington, the District of Calamity.

Right?

 

[Dianne]

Oh well just God damn.

You do realize, don't you, that he's the only adult in the whole fucking city of Washington, the District of Calamity.

Right?

I do !!! I can't say enough good about Rand, but IMO he is not ready for this campaign. I'm afraid this try now will cast a dark cloud on any future runs; especially with 16 opponents and a news media bulls eye on his back.

 

[Dianne]

Am I going to vote for Rand if he is in the primary? HELL YES !!! Am I going to campaign for Rand? HELL YES !!! I just wish he had given it one more election cycle.

 

[acptulsa]

When do you figure any honest non-sociopath is ready to be dumped in the fishbowl and attacked constantly by every single mainstream propaganda mediamafia in the world? What the hell is he supposed to do over the next four years, while the nation slides down the drain, to prepare for it?

Nobody is a swimmer until he or she knows what it is to be wet, and not be able to plant their feet on the bottom. Waiting until you're eighty to jump in the pool does not make you a better swimmer.

I don't blame the guy for being lukewarm about it, I don't blame him for not already being perfect at it (all the sociopaths have rough edges, too, not that the media reports them), and I don't for a second think he's doing anything other than what he has to try and to do. I don't think it would be any less of a shock to him in four or eight years, and since the liberty movement could lack a candidate in the meantime, it could be a much larger challenge then because his father's movement could have lacked cohesion and momentum by then.

Having to find away to embarrass that schlemiel Donald Trump over the next five months (by which time I won't be the only one tired of the bastard) is nothing compared to that.

He's in it. He'll see it through. I'll be there for him. I can only speak for myself. But I'll be there for him. Like the sheriff (James Garner) said in Support Your Local Sheriff, if you have a problem, you don't sit around and wait for that problem get bigger.

 

[cindy25]

I have to agree with you on that. I said it before the debate, and after the debate. It was almost as though Rand was going on a suicide mission. My gut tells me Rand doesn't want this, never has. I didn't believe he was ready for prime time and suggested he sit this election cycle out, to begin with !!

Rand would make a great President, but he lacks maturity. I almost wish he would call it now, before he does too much harm to his brand. Reason to bow out graciously? Years ago, he made a commitment to the people of Kentucky when they elected him. He believes the country is better served by his continuing to serve in the Congress on behalf of his constituents in Kentucky, as well as all citizens of the United States. The race for President (AT THIS TIME), is somewhat distracting from the business of the people.

I believe Hillary should bow out as well. Not that I'm comparing the two, as they are vast worlds apart. Hillary should declare again, she did nothing wrong (bullchit), but the mere suggestion of impropriety has led her to leave the campaign so as the integrity of a Presidential campaign is not called into question. Of course, her husband Bill is on the golf course today with Obama, so I'm sure they are working together on a cover up.

Rand was elected in 2010, and will have served his entire term. Obama only served 4 years in the senate. this is the only cycle open for Rand. 2020 will likely be a GOP president seeking re-election, 2024 will be a Dem year (based on the 8 year cycles) as will 2028. 2032 will be his next chance , when he would be 70. this is why 17 people are seeking the nomination-they view it as their only chance.

the other question should be-if not Rand, who? Amash is too young and still in the house.

 

[cindy25]

Am I going to vote for Rand if he is in the primary? HELL YES !!! Am I going to campaign for Rand? HELL YES !!! I just wish he had given it one more election cycle.

the cycle is not 4 years but 16. 8 years for each party

 

[Dianne]

the cycle is not 4 years but 16. 8 years for each party

valid point.

 

[Brett85]

So you're arguing that Ron had a better chance to win the GOP nomination than Rand, and because Rand is polling poorly we should stop supporting Rand? I'm pretty sure that Ron was in the mid single digits until about two or three weeks before the Iowa caucus, and then he surged in the polls. There's still a long ways to go. Anyone who says otherwise is just foolish.

 

[acptulsa]

So you're arguing that Ron had a better chance to win the GOP nomination than Rand, and because Rand is polling poorly we should stop supporting Rand? I'm pretty sure that Ron was in the mid single digits until about two or three weeks before the Iowa caucus, and then they stopped push polling and ran their polls like their reputations were on the line. There's still a long ways to go. Anyone who says otherwise is just foolish.

Fixed that for you

 

[dannno]

Narrow-minded comments like yours are what I am talking about. You simply don't have the facts at your fingertips and you don't have the mindset to realize that you are missing key facts.

Donald Trump and Roger Stone have been honing their skills at taking out third party and alternative candidates in the Republican Party for decades. Trump's run is the ultimate manifestation of all this work and the entire purpose is to block Rand Paul's candidacy. Many of us here have realized that from the beginning. If you can't see it, oh well, you're being conned but don't get mad at us because we can.

 

[Dianne]

Donald Trump and Roger Stone have been honing their skills at taking out third party and alternative candidates in the Republican Party for decades. Trump's run is the ultimate manifestation of all this work over the decades and the entire purpose is to block Rand Paul's candidacy. Many of us here have realized that from the beginning. If you can't see it, oh well, you're being conned but don't get mad at us because we can.

That's absolutely correct... same thing happened with Ron Paul. But how do we overcome it? That's the most frustrating question.

 

[Matt Collins]

In the 2012 race he wasn't as strong at pulling in the money

I stopped reading at this point because you obviously have your facts wrong!