The Rise of the Constitution Party!

[curtisag]

Ron Paul would be the first to tell you that 3rd parties can't win. The system is rigged in favor of 2 parties. Either reform the Republican party from within or don't waste your time.

 

[RoyalShock]

Some of the CP platform appeals to me, but a great deal of it doesn't. They're right up there with the Republicans as far as supporting a moralist Christian theocracy.

I've recently read a good deal of their platform. While they do cite God and a Creator as a fundamental reason for a few positions (such as enforcing obscenity laws), it usually falls mostly in line with a general position of individual liberty. The major exceptions are abortion, which they feel should be illegal at the federal and state level - and drugs.

Who is going to find the perfect party to align themselves with 100%? Not only that, party platforms can change.

 

[RoyalShock]

They are against gambling, drugs and pornography... Libertarian party is 10x better.

Actually, they are against government funding/support of gambling. They don't like it, but their policy does not prohibit it.

They also aren't expressly against pornography (in terms of legislation), but do support enforcement of current obscenity laws and encourage personal and corporate responsibility as well as local entities to maintain community standards.

 

[NorwegianLibertarian]

Actually, they are against government funding/support of gambling. They don't like it, but their policy does not prohibit it.

They also aren't expressly against pornography (in terms of legislation), but do support enforcement of current obscenity laws and encourage personal and corporate responsibility as well as local entities to maintain community standards.

Oh really?

Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Pornography

 

[RoyalShock]

Like I said, enforcement of current obscenity laws.

As for the last part, I interpret "government plays a vital role" as being state and local. But I could equally see others interpreting it differently.

My overall point is that they aren't expressly calling for federal legislation to ban all forms of pornography. But I admit, they are walking a tight-rope.

 

[Bison]

No one is going to Ban your perversion or vice. They call for enforcing the standards that have been set by the community. If you want a community with looser standards you can always move to Province Town. You wouldn't be for forcing porn and gambling on a community that did not want it would you?

But you guys are missing the big picture. We are talking about getting some candidates other than Dems and Repubs elected. Getting a handful of constitutionalists elected will not deprive you of your porn or casinos. But it will be a start at getting this nation on the right track. We need to get people who believe in the Constitution into government or we as a nation are sunk. Then it won't matter what party you were apart of because we will all be in the same hole.

Remember what the big issues are.
Monetary policy
Foreign policy
Civil liberties
FREEDOM.

After we have taken back our country you can fight over Porn and Gambling.

Peace.

 

[RoyalShock]

Bison, that is a good way to look at it.

But for the record, I am still in Dr. Paul's camp that a legitimate 3rd-party isn't viable right now. I think it will be an easier fight to pull back the Republican party. When they realize they aren't going to win any major elections as long as they continue moving to the left and ignoring the Constitution, they'll have to change.

 

[Talldude1412]

You guys just don't get it. Ron Paul's positions were the positions of the republicans 20 years ago, and they pay lip service to it still! The ONLY MAJOR QUALM most republicans have with Dr. Paul is foreign policy (of course we could also go into expansion of fed power and spending, but repubs aren't SUPPOSED to do that and many are pissed that they are).

Here's the deal. The vast spread of the current republican base are either people who grew up during the 60s or were told about it by their parents. They are the people who may or may not have supported Vietnam for containment reasons, but also see the "anti-war" movement that led to both incredible disrespect of our nations troops, and the cultural morality previous to that. They liken movements that don't support any nation our war is in to that experience (unless its a war waged by a democrat). The republican party is RIPE for the taking, we are just being ineffective at doing so. Rush Limbaugh for god sakes has been increasingly nostalgic about the good ol days of Goldwater Conservatism.

It will not be an easy effort, and I hope that those of you who do drop the party after the election keep an eye out for the rise of other Ron Paul - like republicans (and even some support would be nice). And in the same respect, if your 3rd parties field candidates like Paul, you can expect my support.

 

[runderwo]

No one is going to Ban your perversion or vice. They call for enforcing the standards that have been set by the community. If you want a community with looser standards you can always move to Province Town. You wouldn't be for forcing porn and gambling on a community that did not want it would you?

Your view (and the view of the CP) contradicts the notion that all men are created equal, with inalienable rights, among these Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. My perversion and vice (i.e. my pursuit of Happiness) when harmless, and especially when in private among consenting adults, does not affect your rights at all. It is you who chooses to take offense to it, and the CP advocates that the government violate my rights on your behalf because my behavior was not up to your standards.

That is a tyranny of the prudes, those who create laws for others in their head and expect them to be enforced on their say-so.

At the extreme, the CP's view of government would deem a law about napkin usage and utensil placement to be a legitimate use of government force. Oh, and no slurping of your soup, you barbarian!

 

[Cleaner44]

Libertarian all the way.

 

[S3eker]

I think if RP runs as a third party he will hurt the other campaigns a bit. Which one can be debated. I would still vote for him out of principle and the fact that my vote would do so much damage to all those war mongers!

 

[tsetsefly]

Fuck the constitution party, they want a constitution backed by the 10 commandments, bible thumpers imo...

 

[EvilNight]

Libertarian Party all the way. I like the Constitution Party but there is one problem - There is no GOD in the Constitution. Just a nebulous "Creator" - the founders were deists. We all know this.

Also, a more practical reason: The LP is on all ballots ALREADY and is firmly established with 2500 or so elected officials. They are light years ahead of all other third parties in size, power, money, and organization. Oh, and they already offered RP their nomination.

Also, the LP if elected would support massive ELECTION reform and allow ALL other parties a more fair shake.

 

[ARealConservative]

The Republican Party has lost my vote completely after this election. We need a third party that can compete in a two party system. I choose The Constitution Party as a possible third party candidate.

What do you think?

Imagine if after this election all the Ron Paul supporters joined the Constitution Party.


The Constitution Party
http://www.constitutionparty.com/

The last time I went to theiri site, they were throwing religion in my face too much.

It looks like the site has been revamped for the better, but any party that feels it necessary to argue that we were created as a christian nation concerns me.

 

[jumpyg1258]

Fuck the constitution party, they want a constitution backed by the 10 commandments, bible thumpers imo...

I couldnt agree more, when I first heard of them I thought wow they must follow the constitution to the letter but when I looked into what they stand for, theres nothing constitutional about them.

Seperation of church and state, HELLO!

 

[davidkachel]

Show me a third party that has gained one inch of ground and held it in the last 50 years and I will join it.

Here are the facts:

This country IS NOT AND NEVER WAS INTENDED to be a democracy!
The founding fathers warned, no SCREAMED at us, democracy is nothing more than a tyranny of the majority to be avoided like the plague that it is.
Yet here we are, stupid as sheep, thinking that we can use our tyranny (democracy) to rid ourselves of our tyranny.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE!??

 

[ARealConservative]

I couldnt agree more, when I first heard of them I thought wow they must follow the constitution to the letter but when I looked into what they stand for, theres nothing constitutional about them.

Seperation of church and state, HELLO!

seperatation of church and state isn't constitutional.

The constitution reads that congress shall pass no law.

Then after the civil war we incorporated the amendments. This means that schools may pass no law. It also created birthright citizenship and gave personhood to corporations. All of these are screwed up.

The point is, seperation of church and state as it stands today isn't constitutional and Ron Paul doesn't support the idea.

 

[davidkachel]

seperatation of church and state isn't constitutional....Then after the civil war we incorporated the amendments...

HUH? What do you mean "incorporated the amendments"? Please explain.

 

[BuddyRey]

I've recently read a good deal of their platform. While they do cite God and a Creator as a fundamental reason for a few positions (such as enforcing obscenity laws), it usually falls mostly in line with a general position of individual liberty. The major exceptions are abortion, which they feel should be illegal at the federal and state level - and drugs.

Who is going to find the perfect party to align themselves with 100%? Not only that, party platforms can change.

Yeah, they sound alright sometimes. But I read some writings from Peroutka that scared the dickens out of me. A lot of talk of America as a Christian nation, along with some pretty harsh gay-bashing. Maybe it's not policies they would enforce on the entire country, but it scares me nonetheless. If I could have the complete Libertarian Party platform, with only their illegal immigration policy switched out for the CP's, I'd be a happy guy!

Edit: WHOA!!! Looking at their platform via their website, it seems they also want to outlaw pornography!

Why haven't these guys endorsed Huckabee yet?

 

[murrayrothbard]

I am not a Consitutionalist. I am a libertarian. I think the Ron Paul movement has room for both.

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