The rise and fall and rise again of the libertarian moment

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The rise and fall and rise again of the libertarian moment

https://theweek.com/feature/1009651/the-strange-return-of-the-libertarian-moment

SAMUEL GOLDMAN FEBRUARY 2, 2022

Do you remember the "libertarian moment"?

I wouldn't blame you if not. For a few years around the end of the Obama administration, though, it looked as if the right just might coalesce around restrained foreign policy, opposition to electronic surveillance and other threats to civil liberties, and enthusiasm for an innovative economy, very much including the tech industry. Beyond policy, the libertarian turn was associated with a hip affect that signaled comfort with pop culture. Even though they were personally far from cool, The New York Times compared the movement's electoral figureheads, the father-and-son duo Ron and Rand Paul, to grunge bands Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

In retrospect, those descriptions seem naive. Less than a year after the Times feature was published, the announcement of Donald Trump's presidential campaign sounded the death knell of the libertarian moment (along with Rand Paul's own bid for the presidency). In another unforeseen twist, though, the pendulum seems to now be swinging back toward libertarian instincts.

While in office, Trump had deployed an apocalyptic idiom that clashed dramatically with the libertarians' characteristic optimism. Although personally indifferent to ideas, Trump also inspired a cohort of intellectuals who denounced libertarians' ostensible indifference to the common good and proposed a more assertive role for government in directing economic and social life.

But as the pandemic has continued, opposition to restrictions on personal conduct, suspicion of expert authority, and free speech for controversial opinions have become dominant themes in center-right argument and activism. The symbolic villain of the new libertarian moment is Anthony Fauci. Its heroes include Joe Rogan, whose podcast has been a platform for vaccine skeptics, advocates of ivermectin and other dubious treatments for COVID, and other challenges to the expert consensus.

Appeals to personal freedom, limited government, and epistemological skepticism against pandemic authorities have some basis in the organized libertarian movement. Early in the pandemic, the American Institute for Economic Research issued the so-called Great Barrington Declaration, which rejected lockdowns and argued (before vaccines became available) that mitigation strategies should be limited to the most vulnerable portion of the population. In the Senate, Paul (Ky.) has been the leading critic of Fauci and the CDC. Long-standing libertarian positions have also been energized by the pandemic. The disruption of public education, for example, has revitalized the school choice movement.

But it would be a mistake to think these appeals succeed because Americans have any newfound appreciation for Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, or other libertarian thinkers. More than any coherent political theory, the libertarian revival draws on inarticulate but powerful currents of anti-authoritarianism in American culture. In a blog post drawing on the work of historian David Hackett Fischer, the writer Tanner Greer argues that this disposition is an inheritance from the Scots-Irish settlers of colonial America. Concentrating on its recent expressions, my predecessor Matthew Walther described the defiant, individualistic, risk-embracing sensibility as "barstool conservatism" after Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy, who joins Rogan among its most prominent representatives.

Whatever its origins, the new quasi-libertarianism is an obstacle to the managerial tendencies that increasingly define the center-left. More than opposition to the government as such, it revolves around opposition to administrative restrictions imposed for one's own good. If the old libertarianism was obsessed with the risk of ideological totalitarianism, the new version concentrates on the influence of human resources bureaucrats, public health officials, and neighborhood busybodies.

Its idealized enemy isn't the commissar. It's the high school guidance counselor.

That reorientation from philosophical to mundane grievances is key to its demographic appeal. Decades ago, the left benefitted from its association with resistance to busybodies. Think of Frank Zappa and other musicians who opposed efforts to place warning labels on records they considered obscene. Today, outspoken progressives are prominent among those demanding censorship of putative misinformation — including Rogan's removal from the Spotify platform that hosts his podcast. An occasionally juvenile sense of defying petty tyranny helps explain why the libertarian revival appeals so powerfully to young men (and why spokesmen like Rogan and Portnoy often have backgrounds in sports entertainment). Rather than a defense of natural rights, it's an instinctive dislike of being bossed around.

The inchoate libertarian revival isn't just the political equivalent of cutting class, though. The unimpressive performance of schools, the FDA, and other vehicles of public policy have undermined the ambitious goals Democrats hoped to pursue under the Biden Administration. It's hard to make the case for free college, increased educational spending, or single-payer healthcare with the institutions that would have to deliver these benefits seem unwilling or unable to do their current jobs. Progressives don't want to hear it, but the era of big government is probably over again.

In the past, that conclusion might have been celebrated by conservatives. Today, it's more controversial. During Trump's presidency, so-called theorists entertained hopes that Republicans might become the "party of the state." In addition to conventional hopes for restricting pornography and halting or reversing the legalization of drugs, that includes proposals for sweeping industrial policies to promote domestic manufacturing and cash benefits for married parents to promote traditional family patterns. Rejecting libertarian confidence in spontaneous order, these intellectuals argued that both the economy and the culture need to be intentionally guided toward the common good.

The New Right's challenge to libertarian optimism — that order, prosperity, or other conservative goals would come about automatically — is often insightful. But it's their hope that the dour and devout can achieve theoretically rational outcomes by capturing and redirecting some of the same institutions that have been discredited during the pandemic that now seems utopian.

Iconoclastic podcasters and the "Freedom Convoy" of truckers protesting vaccine mandates may not have been what journalists and activists had in mind when they spoke of the libertarian moment five years ago. But they're the vanguard of its sequel today.
 
...Trump also inspired a cohort of intellectuals who denounced libertarians' ostensible indifference to the common good and proposed a more assertive role for government in directing economic and social life. ...

That needs clarification. I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. I could guess. What was the "assertive" role in "economic" and "social life"? Considering the Trump Admin did drop a lot of regulation, it can't be that. It does not seem to be referring to Trump's huge budgets, spending bills, stimulus, etc., so it probably is not that.

Could it refer to opposition to immigration, opposition to wokeism in schools, opposition to Drag Queen Story hours for children, opposition to the saturation of LGBTQ+ propaganda in govt, schools, media and entertainment? Is that the deplorable "assertive role" taken by Trump's "cohort of intellectuals"?
 
The rise and fall and rise again of the libertarian moment

https://theweek.com/feature/1009651/the-strange-return-of-the-libertarian-moment

SAMUEL GOLDMAN FEBRUARY 2, 2022

Do you remember the "libertarian moment"?

I wouldn't blame you if not. For a few years around the end of the Obama administration, though, it looked as if the right just might coalesce around restrained foreign policy, opposition to electronic surveillance and other threats to civil liberties, and enthusiasm for an innovative economy, very much including the tech industry. Beyond policy, the libertarian turn was associated with a hip affect that signaled comfort with pop culture. Even though they were personally far from cool, The New York Times compared the movement's electoral figureheads, the father-and-son duo Ron and Rand Paul, to grunge bands Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

In retrospect, those descriptions seem naive. Less than a year after the Times feature was published, the announcement of Donald Trump's presidential campaign sounded the death knell of the libertarian moment (along with Rand Paul's own bid for the presidency). In another unforeseen twist, though, the pendulum seems to now be swinging back toward libertarian instincts.

While in office, Trump had deployed an apocalyptic idiom that clashed dramatically with the libertarians' characteristic optimism. Although personally indifferent to ideas, Trump also inspired a cohort of intellectuals who denounced libertarians' ostensible indifference to the common good and proposed a more assertive role for government in directing economic and social life.

But as the pandemic has continued, opposition to restrictions on personal conduct, suspicion of expert authority, and free speech for controversial opinions have become dominant themes in center-right argument and activism. The symbolic villain of the new libertarian moment is Anthony Fauci. Its heroes include Joe Rogan, whose podcast has been a platform for vaccine skeptics, advocates of ivermectin and other dubious treatments for COVID, and other challenges to the expert consensus.

Appeals to personal freedom, limited government, and epistemological skepticism against pandemic authorities have some basis in the organized libertarian movement. Early in the pandemic, the American Institute for Economic Research issued the so-called Great Barrington Declaration, which rejected lockdowns and argued (before vaccines became available) that mitigation strategies should be limited to the most vulnerable portion of the population. In the Senate, Paul (Ky.) has been the leading critic of Fauci and the CDC. Long-standing libertarian positions have also been energized by the pandemic. The disruption of public education, for example, has revitalized the school choice movement.

But it would be a mistake to think these appeals succeed because Americans have any newfound appreciation for Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, or other libertarian thinkers. More than any coherent political theory, the libertarian revival draws on inarticulate but powerful currents of anti-authoritarianism in American culture. In a blog post drawing on the work of historian David Hackett Fischer, the writer Tanner Greer argues that this disposition is an inheritance from the Scots-Irish settlers of colonial America. Concentrating on its recent expressions, my predecessor Matthew Walther described the defiant, individualistic, risk-embracing sensibility as "barstool conservatism" after Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy, who joins Rogan among its most prominent representatives.

Whatever its origins, the new quasi-libertarianism is an obstacle to the managerial tendencies that increasingly define the center-left. More than opposition to the government as such, it revolves around opposition to administrative restrictions imposed for one's own good. If the old libertarianism was obsessed with the risk of ideological totalitarianism, the new version concentrates on the influence of human resources bureaucrats, public health officials, and neighborhood busybodies.

Its idealized enemy isn't the commissar. It's the high school guidance counselor.

That reorientation from philosophical to mundane grievances is key to its demographic appeal. Decades ago, the left benefitted from its association with resistance to busybodies. Think of Frank Zappa and other musicians who opposed efforts to place warning labels on records they considered obscene. Today, outspoken progressives are prominent among those demanding censorship of putative misinformation — including Rogan's removal from the Spotify platform that hosts his podcast. An occasionally juvenile sense of defying petty tyranny helps explain why the libertarian revival appeals so powerfully to young men (and why spokesmen like Rogan and Portnoy often have backgrounds in sports entertainment). Rather than a defense of natural rights, it's an instinctive dislike of being bossed around.

The inchoate libertarian revival isn't just the political equivalent of cutting class, though. The unimpressive performance of schools, the FDA, and other vehicles of public policy have undermined the ambitious goals Democrats hoped to pursue under the Biden Administration. It's hard to make the case for free college, increased educational spending, or single-payer healthcare with the institutions that would have to deliver these benefits seem unwilling or unable to do their current jobs. Progressives don't want to hear it, but the era of big government is probably over again.

In the past, that conclusion might have been celebrated by conservatives. Today, it's more controversial. During Trump's presidency, so-called theorists entertained hopes that Republicans might become the "party of the state." In addition to conventional hopes for restricting pornography and halting or reversing the legalization of drugs, that includes proposals for sweeping industrial policies to promote domestic manufacturing and cash benefits for married parents to promote traditional family patterns. Rejecting libertarian confidence in spontaneous order, these intellectuals argued that both the economy and the culture need to be intentionally guided toward the common good.

The New Right's challenge to libertarian optimism — that order, prosperity, or other conservative goals would come about automatically — is often insightful. But it's their hope that the dour and devout can achieve theoretically rational outcomes by capturing and redirecting some of the same institutions that have been discredited during the pandemic that now seems utopian.

Iconoclastic podcasters and the "Freedom Convoy" of truckers protesting vaccine mandates may not have been what journalists and activists had in mind when they spoke of the libertarian moment five years ago. But they're the vanguard of its sequel today.

Decent article. But I think Rand Paul has been as big of a hero (if not more) against Herr Fauci than has Joe Rogan. Nobody has held Fauci's feet to the fire like Rand. Trump's been out there boosting boosters.
 
The problem is libertarians always retreat.

Nolan left the republican party in the 1970s when it was coopted.

50 years later they gonna have to leave the libertarian party because it has been infected with woke-ism.

It's gonna be a hard fight regardless of where the battle takes place, but

basically this is what is happening to the libertarians:

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Do you remember the "libertarian moment"?

Have you looked at Ottawa in the last few days?

I was telling people that this was "Historic". before the first truck parked in Ottawa..

this is just starting
 
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Do you remember the "libertarian moment"?

Have you looked at Ottawa in the last few days?

I was telling people that this was "Historic". before the first truck parked in Ottawa..

this is just starting

So are any Seizing this Moment?

I called this "historic" before it hit my home town of Sault Sainte Marie.

that was days ago.
 
That needs clarification. I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. I could guess. What was the "assertive" role in "economic" and "social life"? Considering the Trump Admin did drop a lot of regulation, it can't be that. It does not seem to be referring to Trump's huge budgets, spending bills, stimulus, etc., so it probably is not that.

Could be that it's referring to the protectionist tariffs, selective favoritism toward industries and companies, support for subsidies and welfare, and support for socialized medicine.

Could it refer to opposition to immigration, opposition to wokeism in schools, opposition to Drag Queen Story hours for children, opposition to the saturation of LGBTQ+ propaganda in govt, schools, media and entertainment? Is that the deplorable "assertive role" taken by Trump's "cohort of intellectuals"?
It turns out that regulation is regulation even when it's "your" regulation.
 
Could be that it's referring to the protectionist tariffs, selective favoritism toward industries and companies, support for subsidies and welfare, and support for socialized medicine.
...

Ah, so which of the nefarious "cohort of intellectuals" are you talking about that supported all of the above?
 
Bannon. Hawley. JD Vance. 2015 Trump, if you are the sort of person who considers him an intellectual.


Any right populist, basically.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/populist-right/


Very conservative and overwhelmingly Republican, Populist Right hold highly restrictive views about immigration policy and are very critical of government. But, in contrast to other parts of the GOP coalition, their criticism extends well beyond government to views of big business and to the economic system as a whole: 82% say that large corporations are having a negative impact on the way things are going in the country, and nearly half support higher taxes on the wealthy and on large corporations.

OMG! They are awful!

They don't trust government?! What is wrong with them?

They don't trust financial institutions? Combine that with distrust of the government and they probably don't trust the Federal Reserve. I've heard of them. They have sayings like "audit the Fed" and "abolish the Fed". Once they say that, you know they are terrible, even deplorable.

Why don't these people trust and love Big Sister?

O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
 
OMG! They are awful!

They don't trust government?! What is wrong with them?

They don't trust financial institutions? Combine that with distrust of the government and they probably don't trust the Federal Reserve. I've heard of them. They have sayings like "audit the Fed" and "abolish the Fed". Once they say that, you know they are terrible, even deplorable.

Why don't these people trust and love Big Sister?

You're just terminally incapable of understanding the point, aren't you?

It seemed like you got it at first, because of what you said in your reply to the OP, but with this post it seems like you've either dropped it in the memory hole or otherwise abandoned the point because it's now inconvenient to the bland recitation of someone's creed that you are reflexively entering into.


The policies that they advocate expand goverment. They don't distrust "government," they distrust government that they don't control. They want to be in power to regulate government - and society - because they think that they can do better.

They're fascists.
 
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You're just terminally incapable of understanding the point, aren't you?

It seemed like you got it at first, because of what you said in your reply to the OP, but with this post it seems like you've either dropped it in the memory hole or otherwise abandoned the point because it's now inconvenient to the bland recitation of someone's creed that you are reflexively entering into.


The policies that they advocate expand goverment. They don't distrust "government," they distrust government that they don't control. They want to be in power to regulate government - and society - because they think that they can do better.

They're fascists.

I am well aware of all of the downsides of Trump. He expanded government, there is no doubt about that. But that is not the goal of the majority of his supporters. His supporters are not lock-step puppets. They boo him when they don't agree.

You posted the link of what you thought this ominous "cohort of intellectuals" really meant. Nothing about what your link said equated to a desire for larger government. "Nearly half" support higher taxes on corporations. "Nearly half"? Seriously? Also known as less than half. Who do you think you and your link are fooling?

So anyone who wants larger government is a fascist, or are they socialists? Or communists? Whatever it takes to smear people who don't want massive immigration, right? Because the majority of your link was about the horrors of opposition to massive immigration.

As for Hawley, what did he do? The most news worthy thing about him recently was getting called names by the one of the biggest pieces of human feces in the Congress, Adam Kinzinger. Did someone send out a talking point that you and Kinzinger both jumped on?
 
I am well aware of all of the downsides of Trump. He expanded government, there is no doubt about that. But that is not the goal of the majority of his supporters. His supporters are not lock-step puppets. They boo him when they don't agree.

Did you read an imaginary post that you believe exists? I didn't say anything about any of that.


You posted the link of what you thought this ominous "cohort of intellectuals" really meant.

No, I posted a link to a survey of the populist right.


Nothing about what your link said equated to a desire for larger government. "Nearly half" support higher taxes on corporations. "Nearly half"? Seriously? Also known as less than half. Who do you think you and your link are fooling?

Did you read any of it?

If you'll bother taking a moment to look at the pretty pictures - minimal reading, I promise - you'll notice that all of the populist right's economic opinions are actually leftist positions.

- The economic system in this country unfairly favors powerful interests - 87%, a figure somewhere between establishment liberals and the progressive left.

- Large corporations have a negative impact on the country: 82%, more than any other group else except the progressive left

- Banks and financial institutions have a negative impact on the country: 60%, more than any other group except the progressive left

- Households making over $400,000 should pay more taxes: 56%, more than any other conservative group


That's why they support protectionism, regulation, and anti-business measures (so long as they're aimed at "the bad businesses"). And yes, all of that is more government. They say they don't want more government when asked about government, but all of their preferred economic and social policies require more government. Their desire to regulate their neighbors is stronger than their desire for less government.



So anyone who wants larger government is a fascist, or are they socialists? Or communists?

:rolleyes: Go back to Twitter.


Whatever it takes to smear people who don't want massive immigration, right? Because the majority of your link was about the horrors of opposition to massive immigration.

Here's how I know you didn't read any of it.


As for Hawley, what did he do? The most news worthy thing about him recently was getting called names by the one of the biggest pieces of human feces in the Congress, Adam Kinzinger. Did someone send out a talking point that you and Kinzinger both jumped on?

What in the fuck are you even talking about? You asked for a list of people who support those things. He supports those things.


Go touch grass.
 
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The author of that piece takes himself too seriously. And most of that was just rambling babble.
 
Libertarians won't get their soul back until all the leftists are purged.

This has been one of the main problems of the "mainstream" libertarian sphere: there's too much leftist influence.
When Ron Paul was running 07 and 12, he was able to gather rightist influence and what we could argue are right-libertarians or even just straight libertarians.

These "leftist" libertarians, who have hives in places like Reddit (I do not recommend going there - seriously), are literally nothing more than progressives who may espouse 1-2 views that would be considered "right," thus they put themselves within the libertarian sphere. It's a big freakin' joke if you ask me.


Other problems I've seen over the past two years are
1) the candidate they decided to run for president literally kowtowed to the marxist BLM organization and said we must be actively anti-racist, WTFever that means. She and the LP lost me at that point.
2) The LP is so far behind the other parties in terms of registration that it's literally a multi-decade project to turn millions of people into registered libertarians.
3) Even if point 2 is achieved within 5-10 years, what happens when the LP is co-opted? Because we all know it will be.
4) The fact that the former and some still existing LP leadership were of that leftist mindset and wanted to purge the Mises Caucus and slandered them as "nazis" and what not was a big example of how much the rot was embedded. It seems to be stabilizing out a little, but that's a deep hole to dig out of.
5) Libertarians simply don't have a good strategy. No one can convince me they do. Do you want to know what their strategy is? It dates back to 07 and 12: "let's educate people!"

Yes, it's still important to educate people, but the time to focus on that is gone. We're in the middle of the war now, that was for our strategic planning phase which is long gone. And whenever I've talked to some about this, they get all puffed up and want to charge the hill with the libertarian flag proudly in hand like goofballs.
Now for my last point (6):

2020-2022 have proven, have they not, that battle lines are drawn and that we are in, as Jeff Deist would say, post-persuasion America? No one can be persuaded anymore, people are entrenched in their beliefs on ALL SIDES. Not only that, but we have about 30% (give or take) of the American people who are literal tyrant wannabes. We have another 30% who are currently riding right wing populism, which I'll take over the alternative, and the remaining 40% simply don't care enough either way. They just want to live their lives watching Netflix and going out and will go with the flow.

Edit: For the first time in many years, I'm considering leaving the LP and going back to GOP in my state, where the GOP outnumbers the LP like 60:1. I feel I can coalition more within the GOP than the circle jerking LP and their LARPers.
 
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Edit: For the first time in many years, I'm considering leaving the LP and going back to GOP in my state, where the GOP outnumbers the LP like 60:1. I feel I can coalition more within the GOP than the circle jerking LP and their LARPers.

I've been going to GOP meetings at my county level for the first time in 9 years. Granted there's only a half dozen people there and it is pretty much dead, but that is about 6 times as many people show up to the libertarian party's local meetings. Actually, wait, anything multiplied by 0 is still 0, so mathematically there is no way to explain how non-existent the libertarian party is where I live.
 
Ah, so which of the nefarious "cohort of intellectuals" are you talking about that supported all of the above?

Bannon. Hawley. JD Vance. 2015 Trump, if you are the sort of person who considers him an intellectual.


Any right populist, basically.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/populist-right/

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No, I posted a link to a survey of the populist right.

Which you posted in response to who is this “cohort of intellectuals”. And you named Hawley for some reason.

Here's how I know you didn't read any of it.

I said it emphasizes immigration. You claim I didn’t read it.

From your link:

5. Populist Right

Immigration hard-liners with critical views of the economic system
...
Very conservative and overwhelmingly Republican, Populist Right hold highly restrictive views about immigration policy and are very critical of government.
...
Populist Right are among the groups most likely to say that illegal immigration is a very big problem in the country today, and nearly half (48%) say that the number of legal immigrants admitted to the U.S. should decrease.
...
Nearly eight-in-ten Populist Right (78%) say that immigrants who come to the U.S. illegally generally make the communities they live in worse, including 41% who say they generally make their communities a lot worse.
...
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/populist-right/

Yes, I read the whole thing the first time. And as deceptive as polls can be, if the populist right includes the people who are most skeptical about almost everything, then I have no problem with that.
 
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