The reason that one should make a conscious effort not to shop at walmart

I work at wal-mart and I get paid just fine.

I am a cart pusher. I make 9.25 an hour. I have worked for wal-mart for 3 years now. I get 80 hours paid vacation, 20 hours personal time, 40 hours sick time. I have HSA insurance, where I get up to 900 dollars from walmart through the year (I've had it for one year and I already have 2500 saved up in it). I got 1200$ in bonuses from walmart. I have the lowest paying job in the entire company.

I fail to see how walmart pays its people so little.

CRAP. I'm going to work at Wal-Mart just for the vacation package. I've worked for 10 years as a Systems Administrator and have never found a job willing to give me more than 1 week paid vacation and 6 days sick leave. WTF!
 
When a company buys products from a country that purposely suppress the value of their dollar, uses child labor, and other means to suppress the free-market that should be considered a model of free-marketeers?

You guys are insane.
 
Well, when I worked at WalMart in college, I worked at the PIneville, Louisiana store, and my starting pay as an untrained cashier who had never held a job before was 7.00 an hour, with all the perks listed above...

Okay, sorry for this, but stepson is driving me nuts to type something here, so just pretend it does not exist:

ilovedaddyandmama*****isascientist

Funny, huh? I had to spell scientist for him.

Yes. Walmart obviously does a lot of things right. They certainly don't over pay their executives while they seem to save a lot of money by being housed in cheap office space while based in a crappy little town in Arkansas.
Still, Walmart has become a monster because it no longer speaks directly to the people and its customers but communicates with them through lawyers.
This is the way mega corporate entities poison society into bankruptcy.
In comparison, small companies grow faster, are more inventive, pay their employees more, while they pay more in taxes. They tend to be more intimate with their employees and their customers. More likely to attend the same Church.
So, break up the corporate behemoths.
 
When a company buys products from a country that purposely suppress the value of their dollar, uses child labor, and other means to suppress the free-market that should be considered a model of free-marketeers?

You guys are insane.

ALl companies do that. THere aren't any big stores that don't have 90% of their merchandise imported from China, and another 10% from other 3rd world countries, textiles in particular.

You're the insane one.
 
Yes. Walmart obviously does a lot of things right. They certainly don't over pay their executives while they seem to save a lot of money by being housed in cheap office space while based in a crappy little town in Arkansas.
Still, Walmart has become a monster because it no longer speaks directly to the people and its customers but communicates with them through lawyers.

Now you're just making things up and it is nonsensical to boot! I went to WalMart Saturday and the store was packed.

A guy said hello to me at the door, several employees in various aisles asked if I was finding what I wanted, and because every single lane was open I joined a checkout queue in the #2 position.

They seem to be hearing me loud and clear.
 
It means checkout the Santa Claus thread and tell me asimplegirl is a real person and not a person trying to establish themselves on a new messageboard with an ulterior motive.

You know WalMart pays people to scan internet messageboards for negative topics on WalMart just so they can signup and tell everybody about their great experiences with WalMart.

Oh, she's part of a conspiracy. I get it now.

You can't refute what she said, so she is obviously just a shill.

Obviously.
 
Oh, she's part of a conspiracy. I get it now.

You can't refute what she said, so she is obviously just a shill.

Obviously.

I did think it was a little curious she was a new member shilling for walmart, but didn't really consider it until I read the Santa Claus thread.. after this one. I could be wrong, I'm just sayin.. read it for yourself if you want.
 
'm not saying that WalMart is an inefficient beastly piece of government red tape.. obviously they run a tight (slave) ship...

Slave ship? Slaves don't get paid market wages last time I checked.

You're saying that you don't like WalMart because the media tells you they're evil.

WalMart isn't your friend, they're a business. They don't do a darned thing that every other major retailer does.

Everything WalMart does is in the name sound business practices.

They run a tight ship because they want to deliver items to us at the lowest price. You're implying that the buyers should be getting bribes at our expense? THe employees should be allowed to shoplift?

The only reason any free market theory works is because it demands that everybody acts in their own self-interest. How anybody can argue for a free market and against WalMart on the same forums is beyond me.

If you want to argue that WalMart isn't operating in a free market, then that's fair, but it isn't WalMart's fault. It is the fault of the greedy politicians that kowtow to them. If the governments unilaterally said "no" when WalMart asked for concessions, they would have to say "no" to every retailer who wanted a special deal.

Chicago said "No," and WalMart built their store just over the city line. So the smaller city ended up with millions in tax revenue, and jobs. And people living in a southside low income neighborhood suddenly had a place to shop that wasn't a small overpriced crappy little store with bars on the windows.

ANother WalMart story - my friend's BIL got a lump sum settlement for an auto accident. He decided to buy a house, but the money wasn't all that much, so he bought a small place that adjoined a commercial zone. Specifically he was right next to a welding shop, which was next to some used autoparts junkyard type place.

But he was happy because he no longer had to pay rent.

Then WalMart wanted to build there, and they needed his property for the parking lot. He steeled himself for the battle because he "knew" they were going to try to weasel him out of the property. The first offer was for 3 times the amount he had decided he was going to ask for, so no lawyers were even required.

And then he bought another nice little house, paid cash, in a more traditional neighborhood.
 
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I don't shop at Wal-Mart because their stuff is shit made for the poor to middle class. I prefer fine things. If I buy shoes, I normally spend around $200 and they last me for 3-5 years of every day use. I buy high end electronics, because I have a discerning ear and expect that my audio will not sound like the inside of a trash can. If I buy chocolate, I buy Belgian or German. Sure, I may buy trash bags or some household item for which there is not a superior substitute at Wal-Mart, but by and large I avoid it because it's products don't offer the lifestyle I have become accustomed to. I don't care if Wal-Mart ignores theft of their own property or gives to some unsavory causes, if they offered good products, I would shop there regardless. It is their money and property they are wasting after all. As far as the employees and those who shop there are concerned, they need to get a life. Not to be rude or anything, but that is pretty sad that someone can live on $9.25 in hour. It's also sad that people want to shop their and fill their lives with that trash. Who am I to judge though, apparently there is a market for both Wal-Mart jobs and it's products. So...enjoy your shit living people! You deserve it. It's the best shit on earth crappy wages can buy! I'm sorry if I sound like a page out of Atlas Shrugged, but seriously, low employee pay is the last reason I should stop shopping at Wal-Mart.

On a side note, Target actually has some decent stuff from time to time.
 
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Now you're just making things up and it is nonsensical to boot! I went to WalMart Saturday and the store was packed.

A guy said hello to me at the door, several employees in various aisles asked if I was finding what I wanted, and because every single lane was open I joined a checkout queue in the #2 position.

They seem to be hearing me loud and clear.

Walmart doesn't manage. It dismanages. I will agree they put on good appearances. Still, when an issue arises, Walmart management hushes up, side steps and calls their lawyers.
There is a better way. It happened when AT&T got broken up. What happened? Well, a multi-billion dollar industry transformed into a huge multi-trillion dollar technology.
We need to put an end to the Federal lobbying that corporate behemoths perpetuate onto the American people. There ain't nothing left to buy from that empty box.
Instead, give local inventiveness a chance and she will transform herself from a naughty, polluting whore into a good, helpful wife.
 
Slave ship? Slaves don't get paid market wages last time I checked.

Slave prisoners don't get market wages. They are prisoners. Did you read the articles I posted? It has nothing to do with the media.
 
Why are people here advocating slavery??

Who cares if slaves get paid more (which is bologna), the point is that they aren't allowed to leave if they want to.
 
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/15/news/china.php

Child slave labor revelations sweeping China
By Howard W. French
Published: June 15, 2007

SHANGHAI: Su Jinduo and Su Jinpeng, brother and sister, were traveling home by bus from a vacation visit to Qingdao during the Chinese New Year when they disappeared.

Cheated out of their money when they sought to buy a ticket for the final leg of their journey home, they were taken in by a woman who offered them warm shelter and a meal on a cold winter night, and then later a chance to earn enough money to pay their fare by helping her sell fruit.

The next thing they knew they were being loaded onto a minibus with several other children and taken to a factory in the next province, where they were pressed into service making bricks. Several days later, the boy, who is 16, escaped along with another boy and managed to reach home, enabling his father to rescue his 18-year-old sister a few days later.

This story is one of hundreds like it that have swept China in recent days in an unfolding labor abuse scandal that involves the kidnapping in central China of hundreds of children, and perhaps more, some reportedly as young as 8, who have been forced to work under brutal conditions - scantily clothed, unpaid and often fed little more than water and steamed buns - in the brick kilns of Shanxi Province. There have also been reports of adults being forced to work under similar circumstances.


Also see http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1635144,00.html


http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/10/200712.shtml

How China Hides Its Slave Labor From the Free World

Wes Vernon
Saturday, Jan. 11, 2003


WASHINGTON – The biggest cover-up in the long parade of Clinton scandals was probably the sell-out to the communist Chinese. Harry Wu had a front-row seat on that tragedy, from the inside of Chinese labor camps.

In his book “Troublemaker,” published by NewsMax.com, Wu compares those living hells (or laogai) to Hitler’s concentration camps.

The trade with China, paid for by Americans who are finding it harder and harder to find merchandise they want that does not bear the “Made in China” label, was already in force when the Clintons came to Washington. After they saw the political benefits to be had for selling out, the relationship took off like a rocket.

Thanks in large measure to the Clinton White House's cover-up, we do not know to this day the full story of Chinese espionage that enabled them to gain access to U.S. nuclear weapons know-how through the theft of highly sensitive classified data on sophisticated warheads or the missile-related technology that was compromised.

But Harry Wu saw the Clinton/Beijing relationship from a deeply human perspective: the blue uniforms and shaved heads in Chinese prison camps.

For years, he had been one of the estimated 50 million blue uniformed “troublemakers” who had worked in the camps under totally inhumane conditions. Some of them literally worked themselves to death.

The forced labor had turned out for the American market such items as rubber-soled shoes, boots, kitchenware, toys, tools, men’s and women’s clothing, and sporting goods.

What really bothered Wu was that in 1992, candidate Bill Clinton had criticized the first President Bush for being too lenient in regard to China’s human-rights behavior. Yet in his first year, he renewed China’s trade benefits. True, he attached some strings to the deal, including insistence that China abide by a 1992 agreement banning the export of prison labor products to the United States.

But much of China’s forced labor is carefully hidden from the Western World. A 1992 “white paper” issued by the Chinese regime in defense of its labor camps raised more questions than it answered, as far as Wu was concerned.

For example, he asks, “[W]hy do they put phony names on their prison camp factories, as if trying to conceal the profitable use of forced labor?”

At one camp of lost souls hunched over their machines, stripped of their identities (in some cases for decades), the security officer was asked if he could guarantee the quality of his products.

“No problem,” he answered. He then cited an example of a German manufacturer who bought steel pipes from the camps, and labeled them as being made in Germany. So the products were good enough for the Germans. “How about that!” he marveled.

'Getting Wise'

A manager at Shanghai’s Laodong Machinery Plant, where hand tools were made, boasted that because the U.S. Congress had recently made “quite a fuss” about the prison camps, he and his bosses had devised a way to get around the problem.

“We always go through the import-export company,” he said, meaning they set up companies to handle the shipment of goods. That way, as Wu explains it, “nobody quite knows where the goods came from. These guys were getting wise to the ways of the world.”

This wording in a law on the books in the U.S. for decades specifically forbids the importation of products made by slave labor. Wu cites a little-known section of the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Law. That controversial measure is widely known for having imposed a high tariff in an attempt to protect American jobs during the Great Depression. Critics say it made the Depression worse.

The tariff section of the law was changed by the Reciprocal Trade Act of the 1930s. But the anti-slave-labor section is still “the law of the land.” It specifically bans importing anything made by forced labor. Its final paragraph reads, “Forced labor, as herein used, shall mean all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty for its nonperformance, and for which the worker does not offer himself voluntarily.”

The law is routinely violated or circumvented, in part because of devices used by the Chinese (such as those cited above) to hide the true origins of the products, but also because of political pressure on politicians here at home not to probe to deeply into the matter. As Wu bluntly puts it, “Many American business people do not know - or do not want to know — the implications of purchasing forced-labor products.”

When the Clintons ascended to power in the White House, ignoring those “implications” became de facto policy in Washington. We will discuss that next.
 
I can write witty things in the title line too

Comedy just won't work when it expresses the antagonist as sophisticated. Solution? Don't mix comedy and politics.

That's your opinion, bud. I personally think Penn & Teller do a fantastic job of presenting an alternate viewpoint in a very entertaining manner, and along the way they refute a good deal of baseless rhetoric championed by those who wish to further their own agenda.

I could care less if you choose to shop at Wally World or not, but I like to stick my head out the window and check for myself before I believe someone trying to tell me that the sky is falling.
 
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