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[Anti Federalist]

With all of the lies we've been told about EVERYTHING including COVID, can we REALLY be sure that there were "millions" killed by COVID?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-and-what-does-this-mean

Remember the man who fell off the ladder that was deemed a COVID death?

My mother died in March.

She had numerous ailments: heart issues, diabetes issues, nerve issues, among others.

But what she ultimately died from was renal failure and pooling of blood in the stomach that was attributed to a feeding tube insertion.

We are now finding out that two of the significant major side effects of the Moderna COVID jab are renal failure and blood pooling in the stomach from whatever cause.

She was jabbed with at least two Moderna COVID jabs.

Yeah...it's killing people.

I dunno. What I know for sure is that Dr. Fauci and Trump both initially discounted the severity off COVID, then both raised alarm over COVID at about the same time and Trump and Fauci were in lock step.

Trump is a horrible executive, among his many faults.

This is a classic example of that - that little toad had his ear up until the bitter end.

Trump, who is supposed to be this world class administrator, is one of the worst people I have ever seen at sussing out talented subordinates to carry out his policy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Interesting. Long article but worth the read. For the TLDR folks, the argument is made that Tucker Carlson pushed Trump to raise the alarm on COVID based on the "China bioweapons" theory. And it looks like Trump pushed the governors to lock down, as opposed to the other way around as claimed by @dannno and @Swordsmyth. And the lockdowns were coming from the national security state and the bio-security state was brought along for the ride. That corresponds to Dr. Fauci saying back in February 2020 that COVID would be no worse than the seasonal flu. (See: https://justthenews.com/politics-po...tive-death-rate-academic-article-public-virus).

Of course there probably won't be much discussion about this. Not a "hot button" issue like race or the border or trans issues or whatever.

Trump did not push the states, I already posted the quote where he pushed against the lockdowns lasting very long.
Trump dragged his heels and got pulled along step by step by the states, the bureaucrats, and the media in an election year where they were calling every claimed death in the "millions of covid deaths" his fault.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Then your logic circuits are broken. The governors were trying to open back up before Trump. He wasn't begging them to open up. And the "Phase 1, 2, 3" plan he put in place (without adequete testing in place) guaranteed things would not open up until much later.

It says that was a reversal of course for Trump and it was, he had been opposing the lockdowns as much as he could in the election year up to that point.
He reversed course because the election was approaching and they would blame any supposed spike in illnesses and deaths from opening up on him.
He had no power to stop the states opening up and didn't try, he made a soundbite to keep the press from crucifying him as the election got closer.

 

[dannno]

Then your logic circuits are broken. The governors were trying to open back up before Trump. He wasn't begging them to open up. And the "Phase 1, 2, 3" plan he put in place (without adequete testing in place) guaranteed things would not open up until much later.

No, YOUR logic circuits are broken.. a couple states wanted to open back up some businesses in April during the initial short lockdown.. the vast majority of states, schools, churches, businesses were still shut down 5 months later, 10 months later.. that is what Trump was trying to open back up, I'm not talking about April ffs..

 

[jmdrake]

Trump did not push the states, I already posted the quote where he pushed against the lockdowns lasting very long.
Trump dragged his heels and got pulled along step by step by the states, the bureaucrats, and the media in an election year where they were calling every claimed death in the "millions of covid deaths" his fault.

And I already posted the quote where he pushed against at least two states for opening too early. As [MENTION=10908]dannno[/MENTION] likes to say, you're "cherry picking."

 

[jmdrake]

No, YOUR logic circuits are broken.. a couple states wanted to open back up some businesses in April during the initial short lockdown.. the vast majority of states, schools, churches, businesses were still shut down 5 months later, 10 months later.. that is what Trump was trying to open back up, I'm not talking about April ffs..

April was after the "14 days to stop the spread."

Edit: But let me lay the entire timeline out for you. The "15 days to stop the spread" campaign started March 16, 2020. (I know I said 14 days, but apparently Trump's order was 15). Adding 15 days to March 16 takes you to March 30, 2020. So for anybody that can count, that person would reasonably be thinking "We can open back up sometime in April." Then in April, Trump rolled out a "three phase plan" (I've already posted it) that as stated would have kept the country locked down for months later as possibly indefinitely. This is from Trump's plan that I already posted.

Only in Phase Three could work sites resume normal staffing protocols without restrictions and visits to senior care facilities and hospitals could resume. People who interacted with residents and patients would still have to remain "diligent regarding hygiene." Under Phase Three guidelines, large venues could operate under "limited" social distancing protocols, gyms could remain open with "standard" sanitation protocols and bars could operate with "increased standing room occupancy."

The White House views Trump's announcement as guidance under which "governors will have to make decisions what's right for their individual states," a White House official told NBC News.

Some states may be able to move to the next phase before May 1, according to the official. In some states, governors would be able to open up some counties before others.
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So Georgia, and Florida, both decided they fit in the "Some states may be able to move to the next phase before May 1" category. And yet Trump tweeted against them. I take it by what you're writing here you agree with Trump? Anyhow, based on this advice from Trump, some states could have reasonably concluded they should have stayed locked down even after 5 months.

Phase Three would then kick in for states and regions with "no evidence of a rebound" that "satisfy the gating criteria a third time."​

As you know there were COVID rebounds or "surges" all the way through 2021.

And all of this was against a backdrop of a lack of testing supplies. Again from the article I already posted.

However, governors and lawmakers on Capitol Hill, as well as business leaders, have stressed the need for greater testing capacity to truly begin easing social distancing restrictions. NBC News reported Thursday that the White House is exploring ways to increase testing so localities could feasibly meet the president's May 1 timeline.​

I remember the lack of testing. Like [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], my mother was dying during this time. (She had lived with an internal pacemaker/defibrillator for 20 years at that point and she was 91). I was in and out of the hospital with her and I wanted to get tested to make sure I wouldn't infect her with anything and I couldn't get a test even though I WANTED one! They wouldn't even give her a COVID test! You could only get a test if you already had symptoms because the testing supplies were limited. I know [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]'s view the only role for the government is to tell the people "Take whatever makes you feel better and call your doctor in the morning." He and I differ on this. I think doing whatever it takes to make sure your doctor has the test he needs to administer to you when you call him in the morning is a proper role for government. Recently in Brazil a girl died because she waited at hospital for an hour for scorpion antidote only to find out there was no antidote at that hospital and she had to go to another. I don't think it would be improper for the Brazilian president to tell his health minister to put all hospital administrators on a conference call and say "You guys need to figure out how to make sure a clusterfvck like this never happens again."

 

[jmdrake]

My mother died in March.

She had numerous ailments: heart issues, diabetes issues, nerve issues, among others.

But what she ultimately died from was renal failure and pooling of blood in the stomach that was attributed to a feeding tube insertion.

We are now finding out that two of the significant major side effects of the Moderna COVID jab are renal failure and blood pooling in the stomach from whatever cause.

She was jabbed with at least two Moderna COVID jabs.

Yeah...it's killing people.

Ummm....we're talking about two entirely different things. You know that right? If the COVID jab killed your mother that's not the same as COVID killing your mother. If the number of deaths from COVID were exaggerated (and they were though I don't know to what extent) then that makes the deaths by the COVID jabs that much more tragic. For the record my personal experience is that while I don't think I would have died from my bought of COVID had I not taken my MD ex-wife's advice on the magnesium citrate, I'm certain I would have been sick as a dog had I not done that for probably another week and that might have killed someone with marginal health. So I'm certain COVID killed people. I'm on the fence as to how deadly it really was though.

Trump is a horrible executive, among his many faults.

This is a classic example of that - that little toad had his ear up until the bitter end.

Trump, who is supposed to be this world class administrator, is one of the worst people I have ever seen at sussing out talented subordinates to carry out his policy.

We agree.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ummm....we're talking about two entirely different things. You know that right?

They killed and injured millions of US citizens and are still killing them both with the virus weapon and the mRNA jabs.

Of course I know that, and I said as much in my first post in this thread on the subject.

I consider COVID deaths and vaxx deaths as linked, as they both, in my mind, are two parts of the same biological warfare operation.

They both were a beta test designed to see how rapidly a respiratory pathogen could spread around the world, could the system keep control of the world's population as the disease raced through it, could it be engineered to attack certain ethnic groups over others, could the people be convinced to take a treatment against their better judgment...a whole host of test questions.

Having now acquired the needed data, what's being worked up for the human race in round two is global genocide.

We agree.

That's always been a head scratcher for me, for 40 years now, since "The Art of the Deal" people have been holding Trump up as this model executive, and yet, from what I've seen over the course of all that time, is he could not hire a competent management team to run an ice cream truck.

 

[jmdrake]

Of course I know that, and I said as much in my first post in this thread on the subject.

I consider COVID deaths and vaxx deaths as linked, as they both, in my mind, are two parts of the same biological warfare operation.

They both were a beta test designed to see how rapidly a respiratory pathogen could spread around the world, could the system keep control of the world's population as the disease raced through it, could it be engineered to attack certain ethnic groups over others, could the people be convinced to take a treatment against their better judgment...a whole host of test questions.

Having now acquired the needed data, what's being worked up for the human race in round two is global genocide.

Hmmm....As Woody Harrelson would say "That sounds like the plot of a movie."



Oh wait....it was.



And a plot of the TV science fiction show "Stargate" was an alien race that "gave" humans vaccines to extend life by curing cancer and other ailments...but made them sterile.



And one of the concerns of the COVID vaccines...?

That's always been a head scratcher for me, for 40 years now, since "The Art of the Deal" people have been holding Trump up as this model executive, and yet, from what I've seen over the course of all that time, is he could not hire a competent management team to run an ice cream truck.

That all depends on who his ultimate boss is. Which is the point of [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]'s OP article. Something that [MENTION=10908]dannno[/MENTION] and [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] have not even attempted to address is why was the NSA put over the COVID response? And this was in 2020 after it was well known that the intelligence services were still "swampy." So instead of draining the swamp, the swamp got empowered?

 

[Swordsmyth]

And I already posted the quote where he pushed against at least two states for opening too early. As @dannno likes to say, you're "cherry picking."

It says that was a reversal of course for Trump and it was, he had been opposing the lockdowns as much as he could in the election year up to that point.
He reversed course because the election was approaching and they would blame any supposed spike in illnesses and deaths from opening up on him.
He had no power to stop the states opening up and didn't try, he made a soundbite to keep the press from crucifying him as the election got closer.

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