The Only Pro-Freedom Solution to America’s Immigration Morass

[TheTexan]

Because it is the most moral/ethical/advancing-pro-freedom thing to do.

You can agree with that, or not, but I am selfish that way.

The most moral/ethical/advancing-pro-freedom thing to do is to break out of the prison.

And bickering with or blaming your cell mates for them wanting A/C is not constructive at all.

That's what they want you to do.

 

[PAF]

The most moral/ethical/advancing-pro-freedom thing to do is to break out of the prison.

And bickering with or blaming your cell mates for them wanting A/C is not constructive at all.

That's what they want you to do.

I know some left-wingers who want socialist [which you yourself said you prefer] tax-payer money for insurance for their pets.

I was hoping that Post #100 would change your mind.

 

[TheTexan]

I know some left-wingers who want socialist [which you yourself said you prefer] tax-payer money for insurance for their pets.

And that is their preference and I respect their choice.

The only thing I have ever asked from anybody is that my own choices are respected.

I certainly respect your choices and if I had it my way you would be entirely free to pursue all of them.

And to be clear: I prefer to be free to pursue my own choices, which would not include socialism

I was hoping that Post #100 would change your mind.

Try polish or Russian women next time maybe better luck with those

 

[PAF]

And that is their preference and I respect their choice.
The only thing I have ever asked from anybody is that my own choices are respected.
I certainly respect your choices and if I had it my way you would be entirely free to pursue all of them.
And to be clear: I prefer to be free to pursue my own choices, which would not include socialism
Try polish or Russian women next time maybe better luck with those

Reread what you just wrote. How about, you take the Polish and Russian ones, I will be more than thrilled to take the Japanese ones, with some Russians on the side Why should you dictate who can come and go, per the OP?

 

[TheTexan]

Reread what you just wrote. How about, you take the Polish and Russian ones, I will be more than thrilled to take the Japanese ones, with some Russians on the side

I think we have a deal

Why should you dictate who can come and go, per the OP?

I don't dictate anything, I jointly decide with my fellow citizens who can come onto our communal land.

And that doesn't diminish at all your right to bring people onto your seceded territory. If you want to bring Japanese women onto your seceded territory and keep them confined on your property, I fully respect your right to do so.

 

[PAF]

I think we have a deal

I don't dictate anything, I jointly decide with my fellow citizens who can come onto our communal land.

And that doesn't diminish at all your right to bring people onto your seceded territory. If you want to bring Japanese women onto your seceded territory and keep them confined on your property, I fully respect your right to do so.

Deal With the understanding that if they want to come/go on their own dime, they are free to do so, and we should not encourage or rely on socialist government to be involved - unless person commits a crime against person or property.

 

[TheTexan]

Deal With the understanding that if they want to come/go on their own dime, they are free to do so, and we should not encourage or rely on socialist government to be involved - unless person commits a crime against person or property.

Sure, as long as they dont trespass on US soil they're fine.

I'll authorize travel directly to and from your property but they aren't free to just go on and off US soil as much as they like. They will be expected to stay on your seceded property until they are ready to leave.

And as far as what the US does in regards to socialism, that would no longer be any of your business, after you've fully seceded.

 

[PAF]

Sure, as long as they dont trespass on US soil they're fine.

I'll authorize travel directly to and from your property but they aren't free to just go on and off US soil as much as they like. They will be expected to stay on your seceded property until they are ready to leave.

And as far as what the US does in regards to socialism, that would no longer be any of your business, after you've fully seceded.

Right back to Square One I see. That Socialist Centralist CONstitution was bound to make Socialists out of most everyone, including you to some degree. 70, is it?

 

[TheTexan]

Right back to Square One I see. That Socialist Centralist CONstitution was bound to make Socialists out of most everyone, including you to some degree. 70, is it?

Considering that in this scenario you have fully seceded, and your secession is being respected, what concern is it of yours what other people do on their property?

 

[PAF]

Considering that in this scenario you have fully seceded, and your secession is being respected, what concern is it of yours what other people do on their property?

If/until "we" secede, it will be a valid point which I can agree. The chances of that happening in my lifetime are nil to none, so whether "we" secede or not, I will stand on solid libertarian principle and try to get others to see the light as well. You're just another obstacle in my way.

Where's the private property deed?

 

[TheTexan]

If/until "we" secede, it will be a valid point which I can agree. The chances of that happening in my lifetime are nil to none, so whether "we" secede or not, I will stand on solid libertarian principle and try to get others to see the light as well.

Secession is solid libertarian principle.

You're just another obstacle in my way.

I'm not in your way. Whatever you want to do, go for it, I will not stop you, and in many cases I will encourage you.

If you want to conquer America and defeat socialism and subject would-be-socialists to your personal brand of freedom, by all means, go for it. I'll even help you do it. I just won't call it "libertarian principle" while we do so.

 

[acptulsa]

Reread what you just wrote.

Never mind that. Did he really say he could consider hot Japanese girls trespassers?

I'm not willingly entering any social contracts with that crazy bastard.

 

[PAF]

Secession is solid libertarian principle.

I said nil to none in my lifetime.

lol you left out [on purpose?]:

Where's the private property deed?

Taxes [theft], Socialism [?]

 

[TheTexan]

I said nil to none in my lifetime.

How is that relevant to libertarian principle? Do principles change based on how much time a person is expected to live?

lol you left out [on purpose?]:

Taxes [theft], Socialism [?]

I didn't leave it out on purpose, but if you'd like me to provide an answer, then which private property title are you referring to? The US, or your own seceded property? Because you seemed to be pretty fine with me granting an allodial title to your land even though you have no such papers to back up such a claim.

 

[PAF]

How is that relevant to libertarian principle? Do principles change based on how much time a person is expected to live?

The principle always applies. If/when we do secede and you wish to exclude others from "trespassing" on public land, you can do that on your side of the turf. As for me, if there is no deed, I will welcome hard workers, travelers and vacationers to spend their money as they see fit, hopefully in the area that I reside. Including hot Japanese chicks.

I didn't leave it out on purpose, but if you'd like me to provide an answer, then which private property title are you referring to? The US, or your own seceded property? Because you seemed to be pretty fine with me granting an allodial title to your land even though you have no such papers to back up such a claim.

I don't have such papers and never claimed that I did. It was you who claimed that public land should be regulated, which in turn regulates private property/business when you get right down to it. It should be up to the private property/business owner to choose who to do business with or not - not the government.

 

[TheTexan]

The principle always applies. If/when we do secede and you wish to exclude others from "trespassing" on public land, you can do that on your side of the turf. As for me, if there is no deed, I will welcome hard workers, travelers and vacationers to spend their money as they see fit, hopefully in the area that I reside. Including hot Japanese chicks.

Indeed, the principle always applies. Which is what I stand on. And if/when we don't secede, I will continue to advocate it as the ideal libertarian solution to resolving irreconcilable differences amongst people who disagree.

That doesn't mean I'm not open to less ideal solutions, such as conquering people we disagree with.

I'm open to any solution that has a chance of working. Even if it's not "libertarian". (My "self interest" principle will always take precedence over my "libertarian" principles )

I don't have such papers and never claimed that I did. It was you who claimed that public land should be regulated, which in turn regulates private property/business when you get right down to it.

I don't know where you think I said that public land should be regulated.

More accurately and more precisely, I would say that the ownership of public land should be disambiguated.

Someone owns the land. It's better to know specifically who, rather than just ambiguously saying "citizens" own the land.

A similar thing happens in divorce proceedings. You can't really separate out the ownership of assets without identifying who actually owns what.