The Only Pro-Freedom Solution to America’s Immigration Morass

[jmdrake]

What two US citizens do is none of my business. If a foreigner wants to immigrate here, I want to know their background.

No you don't. You don't have the time or ability to personally check even 0.001% of the people who come to this country each year. What you mean is "I want to trust the government to do this for me."

 

[TheTexan]

No you don't. You don't have the time or ability to personally check even 0.001% of the people who come to this country each year. What you mean is "I want to trust the government to do this for me."

I'd personally be happy to do this even for free. I would be able to do it very quickly

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[jmdrake]

I've considered it but I doubt their borders are respected either

My experience says otherwise. The Shoal Creek Country Club was all white until they wanted to host the PGA and their race exclusivity became a national embarrassment for the tournament so SCC integrated and added a token black member. Some years after that I was doing census work and I had to explain to my boss multiple times that despite my federal credentials they wouldn't let me in the gate to go door to door. They'd let me see all the homes on a map but that's it. She didn't believe me (she was white) and so she tried to go herself. Later she told me "You won't believe this. They wouldn't let me in either." So if the Arkansas segregationists play their cards right they can get away with this.

 

[TheTexan]

My experience says otherwise. The Shoal Creek Country Club was all white until they wanted to host the PGA and their race exclusivity became a national embarrassment for the tournament so SCC integrated and added a token black member. Some years after that I was doing census work and I had to explain to my boss multiple times that despite my federal credentials they wouldn't let me in the gate to go door to door. They'd let me see all the homes on a map but that's it. She didn't believe me (she was white) and so she tried to go herself. Later she told me "You won't believe this. They wouldn't let me in either." So if the Arkansas segregationists play their cards right they can get away with this.

I meant moreso in regards to sovereign autonomy e.g. taxes they do still pay taxes don't they

 

[jmdrake]

I meant moreso in regards to sovereign autonomy e.g. taxes they do still pay taxes don't they

Well....yeah. If your collecting social security and have a homestead exception for being over 65 you can get out of everything except sales taxes and tariffs I guess.

 

[acptulsa]

Government, do your duty

 

[Invisible Man]

What two US citizens do is none of my business. If a foreigner wants to immigrate here, I want to know their background.

Why would their being an immigrant make any difference? If you don't need to know the background of another US citizen, why do you need to know the background of an immigrant?

 

[69360]

No you don't. You don't have the time or ability to personally check even 0.001% of the people who come to this country each year. What you mean is "I want to trust the government to do this for me."

Yes I thought that was implied by my response.

 

[69360]

Why would their being an immigrant make any difference? If you don't need to know the background of another US citizen, why do you need to know the background of an immigrant?

It's completly reasonable to not want foriegn criminals to come into our country.

 

[Invisible Man]

It's completly reasonable to not want foriegn criminals to come into our country.

Because they're criminals. Their being foreign is irrelevant. It's just as reasonable to not want American citizen criminals in the country.

Edit: Apply your reasoning to states. If it's completely reasonable for you not to want criminals from foreign countries to enter some state that is hundreds or even thousands of miles from the one you live in, then isn't it even more reasonable for you not to want criminals from a neighboring US state to come into your state? And on that basis, do you then support restricting movement between that nieghboring state and yours so that you can vet everyone who crosses the state border?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Because they're criminals. Their being foreign is irrelevant. It's just as reasonable to not want American citizen criminals in the country.

Edit: Apply your reasoning to states. If it's completely reasonable for you not to want criminals from foreign countries to enter some state that is hundreds or even thousands of miles from the one you live in, then isn't it even more reasonable for you not to want criminals from a neighboring US state to come into your state? And on that basis, do you then support restricting movement between that nieghboring state and yours so that you can vet everyone who crosses the state border?

Any state should be able to stop anybody from coming there, for any reason, or no reason at all.

 

[TheTexan]

It's just as reasonable to not want American citizen criminals in the country.

It is very reasonable. Deporting criminals is an elegant solution to crime and I'm all for it.

Kick them out in same bus as the trespassers as far as I'm concerned

 

[TheTexan]

Any state should be able to stop anybody from coming there, for any reason, or no reason at all.

But muh right to import immuhgrents

 

[Invisible Man]

Any state should be able to stop anybody from coming there, for any reason, or no reason at all.

Your position is ludicrous and ethically indefensible. But I respect that you're more consistent than other immigration restrictionists.

 

[Invisible Man]

It is very reasonable. Deporting criminals is an elegant solution to crime and I'm all for it.

Kick them out in same bus as the trespassers as far as I'm concerned

This reasoning makes sense to me.

Put this way, it has nothing at all to do with whether a person is an illegal immigrant or natural born citizen.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Your position is ludicrous and ethically indefensible. But I respect that you're more consistent than other immigration restrictionists.

Do you decide who you allow into home, for any reason or no reason at all?

 

[Invisible Man]

Do you decide who you allow into home, for any reason or no reason at all?

I have reasons for whom I allow into my home. But I do not exercise that same authority over the homes of any other people. I let them use their own reasons.

 

[69360]

Because they're criminals. Their being foreign is irrelevant. It's just as reasonable to not want American citizen criminals in the country.

Edit: Apply your reasoning to states. If it's completely reasonable for you not to want criminals from foreign countries to enter some state that is hundreds or even thousands of miles from the one you live in, then isn't it even more reasonable for you not to want criminals from a neighboring US state to come into your state? And on that basis, do you then support restricting movement between that nieghboring state and yours so that you can vet everyone who crosses the state border?

There is a large distinction between criminals who are citizens and criminals who are not. Even convicted criminals who are citizens have a right to be in the US. Foreign criminals have no such right.

Travel between US states by US citizens is a protected right under the 14th amendment.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have reasons for whom I allow into my home. But I do not exercise that same authority over the homes of any other people. I let them use their own reasons.

I have reasons for whom I allow into my community.

 

[Invisible Man]

Even convicted criminals who are citizens have a right to be in the US.

Based on what?

Foreign criminals have no such right.

Based on what?

Travel between US states by US citizens is a protected right under the 14th amendment.

But is the 14th Amendment right or wrong? If it's wrong, then simply being in the Constitution doesn't make it right. And if it's right, then on what basis is it right? And why would the same basis not apply to international borders?