** The Official Unofficial Debate Thread - Sept 26, 2016 **

[Peace&Freedom]

If you were a mod and you had a candidate that would not shut up, cut into the other candidate's time, and rambled on and on about himself, what would you do?

I would have stopped combatively blasting that candidate with loaded questions, and frequent interruptions that were causing him to go over time, and cut into the other candidate's time.

 

[A. Havnes]

You can clean it up all you want to but the true, main fact is even simpler: It's easy to lose, and be thrown off your game when you're being double teamed. It's easy to win, if you get the softballs while the other candidate gets the hardballs, with follow-ups. Hillary didn't get asked about her real/alleged scandals or flaps, but Trump got hammered on his. Despite this, viewers saw through the unbalanced charade and found Trump reasonable, as indicated by the preponderance of the online polls (including liberal sites like Slate).

Hillary proved she could win on debate points when the issues presented are deeply tilted towards her. All Trump had to do was prove he could survive being double teamed, while not making a fatal gaffe, not prove that he was optimally prepared. He just needed to show he could weather Hillary's best engineered storm, and he succeeded.

No, Trump had to prove that he should be taken seriously. Anyone could see from a mile away that the moderator would be biased. If Trump wasn't prepared for that reality, then he was even more underprepared than I thought he would be. The fact is, Hillary was rehearsed. She played her hand well and Donald took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

The moderator didn't bring up Clinton's flip-flops, scandals, etc. However, Trump easily could have. If he wasn't so busy talking about himself and bragging himself up, he could have easily deflected everything back onto Clinton. He was doing all right early on in the debate, but he just can't refrain from falling into obvious traps. That's his own fault, not anyone else's. When you're going up against a Clinton, it's something you have to be prepared for.

Here's an example. At the beginning of the debate, Hillary is talking about the housing crises and decides to try to present herself as the compassionate candidate (all Democrats do) by pointing out that Donald Trump anticipated the collapse and couldn't wait to capitalize on it. Amidst Hillary's spewing of facts regarding people who lost their money, their homes, etc., Trump coldly responds, "That's just business."

Okay, we know it's just business. However, instead of giving out an Ebeneezer Scrooge answer, he could have deflected it back onto her by joking something like, "Well, it's like you once said, 'Never waste a good crisis!'" It would have pointed out the hypocrisy of Clinton and at least have let people know that they share similar flaws.

There were multiple opportunities to give better responses or to simply deflect criticism and hold a mirror to Hillary, but he did what he does best instead.

Trump did not prepare for this debate, meanwhile, Hillary was preparing months in advance for it. This is why it went down the way it did, and only Trump can be blamed. Maybe he'll prepare more for the next debate.

 

[devil21]

Your propaganda is showing. You cut off the other half of that graphic that shows Holt's interruptions.

That's pretty damning. Even though Trump pointed out that the media has been Hillary's best campaigner, it goes to show how slick they are. Average viewer wouldn't particularly notice the slant but after reading that, holy shit. Mind control 101.

 

[devil21]

Who else thought Trump's frequent "drinks of water" were a subtle visual cue of Hillary's water glass moments? He never actually drank from the glass.

He also felt her back a couple times to see what/if she was wearing something. I could be wrong but her coat looked like it was made of steel inside and she kinda just "lived in it". There's definitely some fuckery going on with her health but who knows what kind of DARPA shit they have her working with. Iron Man suit under the Mao outfits...

 

[Origanalist]

Who else thought Trump's frequent "drinks of water" were a subtle visual cue of Hillary's water glass moments? He never actually drank from the glass.

He also felt her back a couple times to see what/if she was wearing something. I could be wrong but her coat looked like it was made of steel inside and she kinda just "lived in it". There's definitely some fuckery going on with her health but who knows what kind of DARPA shit they have her working with. Iron Man suit under the Mao outfits...

That woman gives me the heebee jeebees something fierce.

 

[CPUd]

No, Trump had to prove that he should be taken seriously. Anyone could see from a mile away that the moderator would be biased. If Trump wasn't prepared for that reality, then he was even more underprepared than I thought he would be. The fact is, Hillary was rehearsed. She played her hand well and Donald took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

The moderator didn't bring up Clinton's flip-flops, scandals, etc. However, Trump easily could have. If he wasn't so busy talking about himself and bragging himself up, he could have easily deflected everything back onto Clinton. He was doing all right early on in the debate, but he just can't refrain from falling into obvious traps. That's his own fault, not anyone else's. When you're going up against a Clinton, it's something you have to be prepared for.

Here's an example. At the beginning of the debate, Hillary is talking about the housing crises and decides to try to present herself as the compassionate candidate (all Democrats do) by pointing out that Donald Trump anticipated the collapse and couldn't wait to capitalize on it. Amidst Hillary's spewing of facts regarding people who lost their money, their homes, etc., Trump coldly responds, "That's just business."

Okay, we know it's just business. However, instead of giving out an Ebeneezer Scrooge answer, he could have deflected it back onto her by joking something like, "Well, it's like you once said, 'Never waste a good crisis!'" It would have pointed out the hypocrisy of Clinton and at least have let people know that they share similar flaws.

There were multiple opportunities to give better responses or to simply deflect criticism and hold a mirror to Hillary, but he did what he does best instead.

Trump did not prepare for this debate, meanwhile, Hillary was preparing months in advance for it. This is why it went down the way it did, and only Trump can be blamed. Maybe he'll prepare more for the next debate.

More likely he will cry about being "treated unfairly", threaten to skip the next debate. Though I think the next one he will do a bit better.

 

[angelatc]

Trump has the DILBERT vote as comic strip creator says he's already won – and warns Hillary could spend her presidency caring for a dying husband
Scott Adams, the brainchild of the comic strip Dilbert, has switched his allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump
Writing on his blog, Adams argues that Trump seems to have already won - and he worried about the health of both Hillary and Bill Clinton
'Hillary wouldn’t be much use to the country if she is taking care of a dying husband on the side,' argues Adams
Adams believes that the country needs a trained persuader over a policy wonk, and objected to Hillary Clinton's hike of the estate tax


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dency-caring-dying-husband.html#ixzz4LR8hF0iM
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He says he isn't voting, and up until Hillary announced her 65% estate tax he thought she would b the better choice for him because it just means more of the same. But my fascination (via Lucille - thanks!) is the predictions he's made so far have been spot on. He called her health issue early last winter.

 

[Dary]

...

Here's an example. At the beginning of the debate, Hillary is talking about the housing crises and decides to try to present herself as the compassionate candidate (all Democrats do) by pointing out that Donald Trump anticipated the collapse and couldn't wait to capitalize on it. Amidst Hillary's spewing of facts regarding people who lost their money, their homes, etc., Trump coldly responds, "That's just business."

Okay, we know it's just business. However, instead of giving out an Ebeneezer Scrooge answer, he could have deflected it back onto her by joking something like, "Well, it's like you once said, 'Never waste a good crisis!'" It would have pointed out the hypocrisy of Clinton and at least have let people know that they share similar flaws.

Or how about this... instead of giving out an Ebeneezer Scrooge answer, he could have flipped it back on her by saying "You're blaming me for anticipating a collapse that came about due to the policies that you supported? I could see what your dangerous and irresponsible policies would cause, but you couldn't. The collapse was your fault. It isn't my fault that thousands of people lost their homes. That's on you lady."

 

[angelatc]

I believe that the cognitive dissonance in the core American voter for both sides has never been stronger than right now.
I am not talking about RPF members we are a different type.
But as I pondered the debate, even as Pro-Trump person I had to admit that he lost, just as if your scored a boxing score card fairly and without favoritism.

Yet look at this....



People are largely voting by who they want to see win, they don't give !@#$ who won the debate.
Trump and Ron Paul have two things in common they won internet polls and the MSM went after them.

The MSM does not like grassroots populism from the GOP side.

I shared your perception, but again with the Scott Adams...he said that nobody actually cares about what people say so the debate content didn't matter. Also Trump did not do anything to hurt himself, and so his overall trend up the polls would continue. And finally, she looked tired. People might not have noticed it consciously, but those are things the subconscious processes.

 

[A. Havnes]

Or how about this... instead of giving out an Ebeneezer Scrooge answer, he could have flipped it back on her by saying "You're blaming me for anticipating a collapse that came about due to the policies that you supported? I could see what your dangerous and irresponsible policies would cause, but you couldn't. The collapse was your fault. It isn't my fault that thousands of people lost their homes. That's on you lady."

Another good response! The point is that there were so many ways to turn this back on Clinton's head, but he takes the bait too often. When he's on his game and talking business, he's doing fairly well. When he goes into any other territory, or when Clinton starts prodding him, he falls very far.

 

[JK/SEA]

on the birther issue. Hillary using the race card kinda pissed me off. Trump could have said Obama's mother is white, and ended the attack.

meh...i still think Trump did ok in spite of his 'rambling' rants.

 

[Influenza]

I don't even understand the whole birther thing in light on this 2016 election season. Ted Cruz was ruled eligible for president because his mother was a US citizen when he was born in Canada. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, how is his situation any different to Cruz's?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Let's not rush to conclusions and wait till media investigations are complaeted and all the facts outed.

[h=3]Was debate moderator threatened?[/h]

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Trumps questions were weighted heavily on public perception. The debate was basically designed to have a conversation about the things the Trump has been avoiding. Shit you can't say no to in a debate but you can in a interview. Frankly his responses to the birther questions and Iraq have been the most lackluster and that's we are not entertained. Trump won't be the entertainer in chief at this rate.

I hate both Shillary AND Rump, I want neither of them to win. However I am objective enough to plainly see that Holt tossed Hillary all softballs and Holt threw Trump all hardballs. If anyone has spent even 10 minutes reading my posts over the last 12 months, it is blatantly obvious I am NOT defending Trump. I hate the beggar as much as I hate the shrew. However I think we also owe a duty to reality to be accurate.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

And now this:

BOMBSHELL! Hillary’s Lawyers Rigged Debates, Working out “Debate Deal” that included no “Cross-Examination Questions” for Hillary

There is proof that Hillary’s team rigged the debates.

Our friends at True Pundit reported a month ago that Hillary’s lawyers worked out a “sweet deal” for Clinton, guaranteeing she would not be asked “cross-examination” questions by the moderator.

At all.

This would allow Clinton, who cannot handle stressful questions, to memorize canned answers and rattle them off during the debate.

Here’s an expert from True Pundits report from late August:

This is EXACTLY what happened at Monday night’s debate.

The information obtained by True Pundit came from a Clinton operative.

Read more here.

Clearly, this debate was rigged – like every single thing that Hillary does in her life – it was staged, fixed, and setup.

Hillary can’t win on her record or her merits – so she cheats.

That’s the Clinton Way.

http://truthfeed.com/bombshell-hill...ross-examination-questions-for-hillary/26121/

 

[Mordan]

I hate both Shillary AND Rump, I want neither of them to win. However I am objective enough to plainly see that Holt tossed Hillary all softballs and Holt threw Trump all hardballs. If anyone has spent even 10 minutes reading my posts over the last 12 months, it is blatantly obvious I am NOT defending Trump. I hate the beggar as much as I hate the shrew. However I think we also owe a duty to reality to be accurate.

what conclusions do you draw?

I see the Establishment smashing Ron Paul with a hammer, with Trump instead of Ron Paul.

 

[phill4paul]

what conclusions do you draw?

I see the Establishment smashing Ron Paul with a hammer, with Trump instead of Ron Paul.

I see Trump being kept front and center in the GOP by the media/Establishment by decrying the things that brought him supporters. They just Blacked Ron Out.

 

[Ender]

I see Trump being kept front and center in the GOP by the media/Establishment by decrying the things that brought him supporters. They just Blacked Ron Out.

Yep.

 

[Schifference]

Another good response! The point is that there were so many ways to turn this back on Clinton's head, but he takes the bait too often. When he's on his game and talking business, he's doing fairly well. When he goes into any other territory, or when Clinton starts prodding him, he falls very far.

Maybe his performance last night could be compared to chumming the water when fishing. He goes for all the bait this go round and sets her up big time for the next. Who knows. Either way we are screwed.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

what conclusions do you draw?

I see the Establishment smashing Ron Paul with a hammer, with Trump instead of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was "He Who Must Not Be Named," while Donald Trump is "He Who Must Constantly Be Named."