The Occupy Movemement Failed Miserably

[Legend1104]

Well they did help sell a lot of Guy Fawkes masks.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

haha true!

The disdain for the OWS movement here demonstrates to me that nothing with the label "conservative" can hope to achieve any obserable positive change in the direction of the decaying (as in already dead and nothing left to conserve) american republic.

The most important criticism I think I have against this sentiment is that most of the people condeming the movement weren't on the street talking to anyone.

Instead of experience with real individuals who were truly disatisfied, frustrated, and engaged in some kind of actual demonstrative behavior in 3-dimensions with their real bodies, yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

 

[Carlybee]

Fine BetterCallSaul, but please explain how they have changed anything? What exactly have they done that has affected change and what is that change? I am open to hearing it. The minute they started espousing socialist rhetoric they lost my interest. I am always puzzled by people calling for change without having an actual plan for change or without even specifying what the change is. When they were screaming down with capitalism on their iPads is what got me. Then I found out the millions of dollars that were donated to them was used to buy a lot of computer and media equipment...presumably from ..capitalists. I just happen to think there are a lot of people out there who like to think they are "activists" but they don't really accomplish a whole lot.

 

[JustinTime]

haha true!

The disdain for the OWS movement here demonstrates to me that nothing with the label "conservative" can hope to achieve any obserable positive change in the direction of the decaying (as in already dead and nothing left to conserve) american republic.

The most important criticism I think I have against this sentiment is that most of the people condeming the movement weren't on the street talking to anyone.

Instead of experience with real individuals who were truly disatisfied, frustrated, and engaged in some kind of actual demonstrative behavior in 3-dimensions with their real bodies, yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

Why would you need to venture out onto the streets to understand OWS's ideas? Communicating online is just as good, better even because you can talk to people in many places, rather than on one street corner.

 

[angelatc]

very good article. I followed the movement closely from the beginning, and it is definitely a true statement that it was co-opted a few months in. Occupy really began as a united front against big business and government being so intertwined. Heck, remember all those "End the Fed" signs?
It's frustrating to see so many on these forums group such a wide-ranging spectrum of people into the "lazy socialist" stereotype.

They were the lazy socialist types. They didn't object to the bailouts, they objected to the fact that they didn't get one. Occupy worshiped the government. They wanted to separate money from power, but they might as well have been wishing for free unicorns.

 

[angelatc]

yous seem to be reacting emotionally to fox-news filtered, handpicked 16 second sound-bytes, or sarcastic teenager internet memes. Childish, cowardly, soft, declining, hateful, resentful, tight-assed, ruling-class cheer-leader mainstream bullshit.

You win today's irony prize!!!!

 

[BetterCallSaul]

doesn't "pitches tent in public thoroughfare and braves tear-gas grenades" =/= lazy...?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Fine BetterCallSaul, but please explain how they have changed anything? What exactly have they done that has affected change and what is that change? I am open to hearing it. The minute they started espousing socialist rhetoric they lost my interest.

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Of course though, having watched the Ron Paul movement decline since 2006 into a neo-con army of proto-fascists, a great many "liberty" people immediately, as prompted by their controlled-media handlers, rally to defend the interests of their corporatist feudal lords.

 

[fr33]

The liberty movement predates occupy by a few decades and will continue to slug on. Unlike occupy, you never heard much about it in the past from the media. The real shit doesn't get recognized.

 

[Carlybee]

Of course though, having watched the Ron Paul movement decline since 2006 into a neo-con army of proto-fascists, a great many "liberty" people immediately, as prompted by their controlled-media handlers, rally to defend the interests of their corporatist feudal lords.

The Ron Paul movement are neocons proto-fascists? Could you be more specific? Or are you just throwing that out there. Who are our corporatist feudal lords?

 

[fr33]

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

Here's another stereotype to throw at ya. Those who identify as occupiers are more likely to get involved with "justice for trayvon" rallies instead of justice for the people killed in their own neighborhoods. For the most part it was a bunch of hipsters who thought it was cool, then immediately shut up or went for Trayvon after Obama was re-elected.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Really my objection is to the idea that there is this "They" OWS crowd with one idea of anything. Because the opponents of the OWS crowd were obviously not at any Occupations, they failed to notice that most of the people there in the throng were just curious what was going on, and generally, ambiguously enraged.

Any of the stereotypes cited in this threadby opponents were literally created as stereotypes by controlled media depictions.

It's not controlled media depictions. It is their own behavior we are judging them on. Their movement was one of the biggest disgraces in history and thankfully it vanished. They're trying to co-opt this world revolution that is going on right now, but I think they'll be just as successful as their initial movement.

 

[Ender]

OWS failed?

This guy didn't- made me proud- and woke up a lot of people.

 

[speciallyblend]

The Ron Paul movement are neocons proto-fascists? Could you be more specific? Or are you just throwing that out there. Who are our corporatist feudal lords?

He is doing nothing different then the op is doing to occupy. The op is basically being a collectivist by broad stroking folks in occupy. Occupy is a state to state movement just like the liberty movement and sometimes they have cross over issues. for the op to make such a blanket statement on state to state movements and to generalize the people involved in is just as wrong. one word explains the op and anyone trying to broad stroke any movement=collectivists!! everyone of them are individuals including folks in occupy. Many occupy in Colorado are liberty, ron paul and occupy so original op is 100% wrong unless he is a collectivist.

 

[speciallyblend]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

 

[speciallyblend]

there is a former mod on rpf who lies and says i voted for obama which i never did. This member once in awhile continues to lie and send me a message that i voted for obama. I did no such thing i voted baldwin 2008 and Gj 2012. so might as well blanket me and say i voted for obama. since some dumbass rpf members continue to say i voted for obama.

This thread is for collectivists who broad stroke individuals.

Whoever i support it will be 110%. I suspect i will be looking for a new forum in 2016 to organize for my candidate and colorado activism.

should i let one or 2 people bother me probably not, but i sure do not have to come here and have them accuse me of voting for obama which i never did. At that point i decided to do the same thing i do with msm turn it off. who needs enemies when you have rpf!

 

[Petar]

I went and hung out with the people at my local "occupy" and discovered that it was populated by true dumbasses with no sincere interest in restoring society.

If you tried to explain liberty to these people then they would completely cower as soon as you started talking about capitalism, or heaven forbid, actually getting involved in politics.

None of them were interested in philosophical consistency, they only really cared about being "in the right scene".

 

[angelatc]

the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

So much bullshit, so little time. Ron Paul told us to become the GOP establishment. But that's somehow a sin to some of us that would rather hang out with a bunch of dirty hippies with no real plan but some killer bongo skills.

And master the caps key already. Talk like a grown up.

 

[angelatc]

I went and hung out with the people at my local "occupy" and discovered that it was populated by true dumbasses with no sincere interest in restoring society.

If you tried to explain liberty to these people then they would completely cower as soon as you started talking about capitalism, or heaven forbid, actually getting involved in politics.

None of them were interested in philosophical consistency, they only really cared about being "in the right scene".

The Detroit people wanted to take away other people's property. Note that you can buy a house in that city for $1. But they were not interested in that. They wanted to take away the buildings that still had value left.

The people here singing the imaginary praises of OWS are the same losers that want nothing to do with politics except to get pot legalized. Perhaps the best part of that eventuality will be seeing them disappear.