The Occupy Movemement Failed Miserably

If I remember correctly a contingent of Ron Paul people were literally driven out of Zucotti Park. I think they defaced their tent and spread feces in it. So much for trying to illuminate the minds of crap throwing simians. "Banker bad! We want more banana like banker!! Hoo hoo hoo <grunt>"
 
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The Detroit people wanted to take away other people's property. Note that you can buy a house in that city for $1. But they were not interested in that. They wanted to take away the buildings that still had value left.

The people here singing the imaginary praises of OWS are the same losers that want nothing to do with politics except to get pot legalized. Perhaps the best part of that eventuality will be seeing them disappear.

The OWS in Utah were pretty cool- and I don't smoke pot. ;)
 
The OWS in Utah were pretty cool- and I don't smoke pot. ;)

From my understanding, the Western version of the OWS was generally more tolerent than the wackos on the East Coast.
 
the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

That's the problem though. I support peaceful gathering to protest preferably with a clear objective but what exactly did OWS accomplish? The majority of them camped out for months, costing tax dollars for the cities, complained about Apple while using Apple products (as an example). It wasn't the American Spring. It had zero effect on legislation as far as I know. They got some of the grievances half right but negated them with the issues they got wrong. If they really wanted to do something they should have been protesting policy that allows for corporate cronyism not capitalism itself. They should have been pushing free market ideals instead of giving the impression they just wanted entitlements.
 
do people still genuinely think, after witnessing all the irs scandals and political agencies abused in various ways, nsa, etc, that problem is still limited to 'money' and wall street, like a 16 year old teen after watching his dozen of hollywood movies would characterize?

you don't just 'buy' a compound bigger than the pentagon out in the desert of nowhere because some corporation decides it wants info on 300 million americans. yes occupy movement died, because it was childish. some members will carry on, but they will mature, and protest will coalesce under a more grown up cause that better describes the problem

Yes, the problem was and is an elite establishment, in this case the Banksters/Wall Street face of it, that through corporate welfare, control of the bureuacracies and the pols, gets away with just about everything, and makes Main St pay for it. The Occupy movement began as a populist left (in sentiment) expression, much as the Tea Party began as a populist right expression of the same sense of injustice at the entire establishment, not just the left or right. Their lament was not so much that of protestors as it was of crime victims, who know the white shoe guys got away with the loot, and are still on the lam. I know many Libertarians in NYC who participated in the main Occupy encampment, who can confirm it was originally non-partisan and not hack-left in nature.

What happened is (like the Tea Party), it got co-opted from within, and marginalized from without wherever it did not assent to being co-opted. 'Professional liberals' afraid of an independent movement during an election cycle, got in and steered the message to a "tax the rich" rant against the GOP, not the 1%. The Occupy protests that were focused around the original goals were shut down by liberal politicians from Obama on down. Just like how the original TP was co-opted by neocons, while demonized as 'racist' or extremist by the media.

The arrests of OWS were meant to scare away the right from joining it, just as the racist smears were meant to scare away the Democrats who were involved with the TP early on, in order to send everybody back to the safe two-party paradigm. The OWS movement was NOT childish any more than the TP was. It was yet another victim of the power elite's co-opt-or-marginalize system for squashing alternative movements. As the Matrix's Architect says: "This will be the sixth time we will have destroyed Zion, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
 
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That is my feeling when someone mentions "Tea Party".

I think the Tea Party is very different.

The Tea Party (parties, actually) had excellent and clear goals, I mean the whole "freedom" thing seems vague and befuddles some people but to me its crystal clear. Their problem was and is that they just keep electing liars. If I could sum the average Tea Partier up in one word it would be "naive".

OWS's only common thread was "money for this, money for that, money for me", which wasn't a very good goal. If I could sum them up in one word it would be "evil". My second choice would be "clever".

I remember when it started (right here) and I saw what it became.

Co-opted. :(

The name is trashed, the spirit lives on.
 
the people attacking occupy need to stfu and do something themselves or do it better, bottom line everyone attacking occupy should be attacking the gop establishment instead of worrying about "SOME" in the occupy movement unless they are gop establishment of course.

The people defending occupy never want to face the fact that occupy closed up shop immediately after Obama was re-elected. Mission accomplished.
 
The people defending occupy never want to face the fact that occupy closed up shop immediately after Obama was re-elected. Mission accomplished.

You mean, Obama shut down the once independent movement with aggressive arrest actions and anti-encampment regulation enforcement, IN ORDER to get re-elected. Mission accomplished.
 
Leaderless resistance is the only way to fight this tyranny. To organize such as this Occupied group did was an invitation for provocateurs which is what happened on many levels that was being reported by MSM.

The message to take away from this is the awareness of people tired of the cronyism that is being passed off as capitalism.

We discussed why OWS failed in my Sociology class. Not having a leader was just 1 of the reasons
 
OWS failed?

This guy didn't- made me proud- and woke up a lot of people.



So, nobody remembers this kid?

We watched him in one of my classes and he totally turned the students on to the Constitution and real capitalism.
 
You mean, Obama shut down the once independent movement with aggressive arrest actions and anti-encampment regulation enforcement, IN ORDER to get re-elected. Mission accomplished.

But there are still protests and other mayhem. Justice for Trayvon and the recent Huntington Beach riot come to mind. No I don't think most people quit occupying because of fear of police. I think the majority of them quit because it wasn't cool anymore and democrats won.
 
So, nobody remembers this kid?

We watched him in one of my classes and he totally turned the students on to the Constitution and real capitalism.
I remember watching it when it was first posted and several times afterwards. I now think that for the most part he was preaching to the choir on the internet and had no major effect on the occupy movement. That might be one of our favorite occupy moments but I doubt most occupiers would rank it very high.
 
The op is basically being a collectivist by broad stroking folks in occupy. one word explains the op and anyone trying to broad stroke any movement=collectivists!! everyone of them are individuals including folks in occupy. Many occupy in Colorado are liberty, ron paul and occupy so original op is 100% wrong unless he is a collectivist.

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"Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group (to "society," to the tribe, the state, the nation) and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force -- and statism has always been the poltical corollary of collectivism." -- Ayn Rand,
 
Here's another stereotype to throw at ya. Those who identify as occupiers are more likely to get involved with "justice for trayvon" rallies instead of justice for the people killed in their own neighborhoods.

Again you are talking about a complex and varied phenomennon from the very narrow window perspective of some conservative controlled media depictions.

At the actual rallies, on the streets and such, among the people just there, and not the hucksters trying to get paid, the actual conditions of the actual neighborhoods and such was the topic of discussion and focus, because a lot of people in the crowd knew kids that got murdered, and understood the connections.

But again, knowing that would require actually venturing beyond your controlled media sanctioned personality profile comfort zone.
 
i'm sure some liberty guys infiltrated ows and were preaching coded monetary reform messages there..

it's not news, in fact many on dailypaul openly issued rally call to infiltrate the ows.. it is zero surprise you find some liberty "individuals" in ows.. WE SENT THEM THERE.. jeez.. many actually tried to infiltrate and were sharing their experience on dailypaul after. i am all for it if ex-ows are now behind the force to nudge democratic congressmen to vote to rein in spying agencies, but if they're now mainly the popcorn crowd just watching rand fighting the neocons with glee, thanks but nah
 
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Again you are talking about a complex and varied phenomennon from the very narrow window perspective of some conservative controlled media depictions.

At the actual rallies, on the streets and such, among the people just there, and not the hucksters trying to get paid, the actual conditions of the actual neighborhoods and such was the topic of discussion and focus, because a lot of people in the crowd knew kids that got murdered, and understood the connections.

But again, knowing that would require actually venturing beyond your controlled media sanctioned personality profile comfort zone.

Newsflash, buddy: The liberty movement isn't going to become an atheistic, liberal national disgrace like the Occupiers no matter how many words you misuse and spell incorrectly.
 
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