The Mormon Gulag

torchbearer said:
From what he described, it sounded like a criminal rehab facility, forbidden to leave, calls at certain times, from certain people.
Given a mandate job, which probably pays for the prison...
They had counseling sessions, but my friend quickly found out that it wasn't really counseling... it was monitoring...
as in, he was honest to his counselor about his feelings of homosexuality, he was then put on tighter restrictions.
So no therapy was really being given, just being worn down mentally until you submit to their will.
You know... the usual chrisitan love thing.
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That reminds me of the time when I was a teenager and my parents found out I smoked pot occasionally. They sent me to this place that was Christian based but was in a hospital. I had no idea where they were sending me. I was in there with crackheads and heroin addicts (and alcoholics) and they would ask me why I was there. I told them "cuz I smoked pot" and it was like that scene in Half Baked with Bob Sagett.

Anyway, they wanted me to go to these little counseling sessions every day and it dawned on me that all they wanted from me was to go through the motions. I just had to say what they wanted me to say and it was over. It was totally pointless, but I guess they got paid just the same.

But it gave them a chance to put me on prozac, which sucks. Never take that shit.

I love it. Hey kid, don't do that drug, it'll mess with yer brain! Do this drug instead!
But I did meet up with this crazy lady that could hook me up with plenty of xanax, so thanks crazy christian rehab place!
 
If that is the theory, then we are all born bi-sexual, and we choose to be hetero... hmmmmm, maybe....
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We'll, thank goodness we don't all choose to be homo or there would be no us.
 
After all, kids have rights, and they are not the inert property of parents. The very idea that parents can hold their teenagers captive
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Your right. You should never force a kid to do anything they don't want to do. It will destroy them and make them mindless robots...(Sarcasm). Anyway, you go right ahead with this method of raising your kids. I seriously would love to hear how they turn out in their adult life. And no, I don't consider a self absorbed, objectivist, atheistic, humanist a success even if Ayn Rand would.
 
I could crap on all religions - all have good, bad and ugly from their past and present. Obviously I am not Christian.

I live in Utah - and for all the faults of all faiths even Mormons, I do have to say this, they are very dedicated people and when the NWO is rang in I will be lucky that I live in Utah because I am pretty sure the Mormons will resist and even a militia has formed by a large group of Mormons.

Well as for initial topic, yes it is real, as for the allegations that is presented - I do not think it is Mormon owned and operated - possible, but I don't think so.

As for homo camps - lol that would suck - all organizations that try and change your personal feelings and beliefs are just another constraint of control - worthless.
 
It is always amazing to me that people that know absolutely nothing about an idea, religion, etc. think they know the most about it. They probably have never cracked a book unless it is some anti pamphlet, or spent 3 minutes on a website but somehow they are now an expert and have a great need to expound their 'wisdom' to others. I have found through experience in my many years on earth -shut up until you know the whole story, lived in someone shoes, and have walked the walk. I guess I am a free spirit I really don't care if people won't to worship frogs, pigs or dolphins. It amazes me that people like Mitt Romney's sideburns are so concerned about what people want to do with their own life.
 
Hiki said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8fPJ6zds8
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Bill Maher is an asshat. He is no friend to critical thinking and skepticism. He admits he believes in God, its just religion he has a problem with. Hes another one of those douchebags too afraid to accept what they believe and dont believe, so he goes looking for a happy intelectual middle ground where he doesnt have to get caught up on taking sides. Much like fake libertarians like Neal Bortz

He reminds me a lot of our very own Truth Warrior. He wont commit himself to a position, he just makes fun of everyone else.
 
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Guys, unless you want this movement to stay the same size it is, or reduced by the number of people reamed by same, we might really want to consider focusing on those things that will get us out of this predicament we now find ourselves in. Instead of insulting the hell out of each others' faiths.
 
Mitt Romneys sideburns said:
Bill Maher is an asshat. He is no friend to critical thinking and skepticism. He admits he believes in God, its just religion he has a problem with. Hes another one of those douchebags too afraid to accept what they believe and dont believe, so he goes looking for a happy intelectual middle ground where he doesnt have to get caught up on taking sides. Much like fake libertarians like Neal Bortz

He reminds me a lot of our very own Truth Warrior. He wont commit himself to a position, he just makes fun of everyone else.
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No he doesnt believe. He just doesn't know for sure.
 
Mitt Romneys sideburns said:
Bill Maher is an asshat. He is no friend to critical thinking and skepticism. He admits he believes in God, its just religion he has a problem with. Hes another one of those douchebags too afraid to accept what they believe and dont believe, so he goes looking for a happy intelectual middle ground where he doesnt have to get caught up on taking sides. Much like fake libertarians like Neal Bortz

He reminds me a lot of our very own Truth Warrior. He wont commit himself to a position, he just makes fun of everyone else.
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I disagree. Bill Maher takes the only logically defensible position. He's an agnostic just like every single human being on the planet. He's an atheist agnostic, just like the Pope is a Catholic agnostic, Rick Warren is a Christian agnostic. Fundamentalists like Pat Robertson, Richard Dawkins, Fred Phelphs, Osama Bin Laden and company are all equally kidding themselves if they think they know for sure.
 
Freedom 4 all said:
I disagree. Bill Maher takes the only logically defensible position. He's an agnostic just like every single human being on the planet. He's an atheist agnostic, just like the Pope is a Catholic agnostic, Rick Warren is a Christian agnostic. Fundamentalists like Pat Robertson, Richard Dawkins, Fred Phelphs, Osama Bin Laden and company are all equally kidding themselves if they think they know for sure.
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You make the false assumption that because you don't know, no one can.

Of course, that makes sense from an atheist agnostic PoV. :rolleyes:
 
Hiki said:
No he doesnt believe. He just doesn't know for sure.
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"Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no. I believe there's some force. If you want to call it God... I don't believe God is a single parent who writes books"

That about settles it. Bill Maher does indeed believe there is a higher power
 
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Freedom 4 all said:
I disagree. Bill Maher takes the only logically defensible position. He's an agnostic just like every single human being on the planet. He's an atheist agnostic, just like the Pope is a Catholic agnostic, Rick Warren is a Christian agnostic. Fundamentalists like Pat Robertson, Richard Dawkins, Fred Phelphs, Osama Bin Laden and company are all equally kidding themselves if they think they know for sure.
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Then you would have to be agnostic about everything. It makes the term completely meaningless. Hell, you would have to be agnostic about unicorns, fairies, the French, Pop-Tarts, and Australia.

Get over this notion about absolute certainty. Its completely useless.
 
Mitt Romneys sideburns said:
unicorns, fairies
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technically, such things could exist. all combinations are possible within the genome. more creatures than we can imagine probably exist throughout the universe.
But i'm not sure they DO exist... and i'm not sure they DON'T exist.
I just know they don't exist here on earth at this present time.

Being that we know little about out universe, which is evidence by the amount we learn everyday through our observations.... I'd say anyone who definitely says there isn't a god/higher power/divine/force/something bigger than us out there is being dishonest with themselves.
No possible way for you to know for certain if you haven't seen it.

Pluto(the quasi-planet) exist, but had you asked Peter the Apostle, he'd told you there could be no such thing.. and if there was... then why can't he see it?
 
"I can't answer with a simple yes or no. I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."

--Albert Einstein
Saturday Evening Post (Oct. 26, 1929, p.17)
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