The MIAC report ten years later, and the utter failure of the "liberty movement"...

[Gumba of Liberty]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

 

[Anti Federalist]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

Got it...

 

[juleswin]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The lack of leadership(Rand DOES NOT count) is one of the main reasons why you are seeing the fracturing, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusionment, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

Got it...

I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The reason why you are seeing the fracture, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusion, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.

You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?

Fair enough

 

[Swordsmyth]

You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.

You are right but so am I and so is Jules.
We need a leader to give us a cultural presence so people will listen to us, like it or not we need the sheeple because there aren't enough sheepdogs.
If we can get the sheeple to listen to us we can convert many of them into sheepdogs.

 

[DamianTV]

The powerful want both Money and Power because its their Bad Money that gives them Power to begin with.

Once they get their Bad Money, they push out the good money and poison the Real Money anyone else has, which makes those who have little money, either bad or good, hopelessly dependent on those with the power to issue it. That buys their power. They buy violence. They buy off the guy sitting on the fence and bring those people to their side. There are too many people in the world that would willingly trade the life of another for their own cushy life of servitude conducting violence against any who speak out against the principles of tyranny.

 

[Anti Globalist]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Anybody in the LP come to mind? I'm not that up to speed.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Well they got rid of Jessie Ventura. I think everyone forgot about him.

 

[timosman]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague?

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

You are right but so am I and so is Jules.
We need a leader to give us a cultural presence so people will listen to us, like it or not we need the sheeple because there aren't enough sheepdogs.
If we can get the sheeple to listen to us we can convert many of them into sheepdogs.

People will listen to you when you have something to offer them. Running around every fours years passionately getting in peoples faces about privatizing roads is not how you make friends. The reason libertarians struggle to attract the "sheeple" and "alpha males" is that everything is in the abstract.

Libertarians promote liberty. Before you can have liberty you must be able to fight for it. Therefore, you must have access to the tools, skills, resources, and community enabling you to survive and thrive. We need to start here. Most "sheeple" are overweight, coach potatoes under the spell of cable news, professional sports, and "celebrities". Most are unhealthy, depressed, lack self-esteem, and self-respect. Without self-respect there is no liberty. If you have no confidence in yourself you will never ask or seek to be free. This is how we convert the "sheeple". We must work toward making liberty-oriented skill-building activities mainstream (especially with the coddled suburban youth): hunting, fishing, shooting, self-defense, paintball, swimming, rafting, hiking, construction, automotive, etc. When men and women have skills they gain confidence in themselves, they start listening to themselves, and they stop taking orders from others (liberty). Once we have established a culture of liberty and show our fellow "sheeple" a (fun) libertarian social order (without political parties and elections) - then we can focus building a national political movement. Until then, national elections are just us pissing in the wind.

Let me use an analogy, if I may. The Food Pyramid - the God awful corporate misinformation campaign lobbied by the Department of Agriculture to manipulate the diets of American school children - while still a sour spot for me - is a great way to describe how to move forward, in my mind.

Grains = Building Survival Skills & Connecting with Local Patriots.
Vegetables = Buying Fresh & Local.
Fruits = Living Independent & Sustainable.
Meats = Support Freedom Loving Vets & 1st Responders.
Milk = Electing Freedom Loving Americans to Local/County Government (Sheriff).
Sweets = National Political Campaigns.

95% of the time the "Liberty Movement" (or any movement) focuses on the Sweets (every four years) and complain in between. I get why though. It is a lot easier and comforting to wait for a savior than to realize your going to have to save yourself. It's time to grow up. Either lead, follow, or get out the way.

 

[shakey1]

Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below.

And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

And we failed to do it.

"Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

Well...we failed...that's what happened.

And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

God damn us all, myself included.

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this shit has only gotten worse.

 

[timosman]

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this shit has only gotten worse.

Less disposable income.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this $#@! has only gotten worse.

For those that want to skip the pitty party and actually make moves in defense of Liberty, we will be expanding to the greater North East/Mid-Atlantic in the next few years and we need all the patriots we can find: Join us or start your own grassroots organization in your area: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

For the rest of you, enjoy ranting on forums and message boards as your nation and your liberty slowly (then quickly) collapses!

 

[pcosmar]

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague?

I believe you to be quite confused.

 

[Swordsmyth]

People will listen to you when you have something to offer them. Running around every fours years passionately getting in peoples faces about privatizing roads is not how you make friends. The reason libertarians struggle to attract the "sheeple" and "alpha males" is that everything is in the abstract.

Libertarians promote liberty. Before you can have liberty you must be able to fight for it. Therefore, you must have access to the tools, skills, resources, and community enabling you to survive and thrive. We need to start here. Most "sheeple" are overweight, coach potatoes under the spell of cable news, professional sports, and "celebrities". Most are unhealthy, depressed, lack self-esteem, and self-respect. Without self-respect there is no liberty. If you have no confidence in yourself you will never ask or seek to be free. This is how we convert the "sheeple". We must work toward making liberty-oriented skill-building activities mainstream (especially with the coddled suburban youth): hunting, fishing, shooting, self-defense, paintball, swimming, rafting, hiking, construction, automotive, etc. When men and women have skills they gain confidence in themselves, they start listening to themselves, and they stop taking orders from others (liberty). Once we have established a culture of liberty and show our fellow "sheeple" a (fun) libertarian social order (without political parties and elections) - then we can focus building a national political movement. Until then, national elections are just us pissing in the wind.

Let me use an analogy, if I may. The Food Pyramid - the God awful corporate misinformation campaign lobbied by the Department of Agriculture to manipulate the diets of American school children - while still a sour spot for me - is a great way to describe how to move forward, in my mind.

Grains = Building Survival Skills & Connecting with Local Patriots.
Vegetables = Buying Fresh & Local.
Fruits = Living Independent & Sustainable.
Meats = Support Freedom Loving Vets & 1st Responders.
Milk = Electing Freedom Loving Americans to Local/County Government (Sheriff).
Sweets = National Political Campaigns.

95% of the time the "Liberty Movement" (or any movement) focuses on the Sweets (every four years) and complain in between. I get why though. It is a lot easier and comforting to wait for a savior than to realize your going to have to save yourself. It's time to grow up. Either lead, follow, or get out the way.

You are absolutely right but that doesn't mean that the opposite approach of giving the herd animals a leader to follow doesn't also work, Ron proved that it does, we made more progress with him as a leader for 8 years than we did for many decades prior.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague?

Most libertarians drive them away because they are religiously opposed to having leaders.

 

[Gumba of Liberty]

You are absolutely right but that doesn't mean that the opposite approach of giving the herd animals a leader to follow doesn't also work, Ron proved that it does, we made more progress with him as a leader for 8 years than we did for many decades prior.

I agree with you. I never said that providing the people a principled lightning rod (like Dr. Ron Paul) would ever hurt. I just want everyone to be aware that if you are looking for the next Ron Paul (and you are not running for office yourself) you will be waiting an extremely long time. How many years between the lives of Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul? Too many.

With that said, the Liberty Movement should have all options on the table. My problem with this thread, and the movement in general, is that people are getting discouraged because they haven't found another (more articulate i.e. better) Ron Paul and that the movement is therefore doomed (btw I am of my opinion that a younger, more articulate Ron Paul would have been assassinated quickly. The fact that he was the old, non-threatening, folksie granddad kept him alive). This general demoralization of the movement is not proactive nor productive. Finding a populist champion of liberty, on the national level, is not going to happen overnight and we shouldn't get upset about it because their is much other work to do. We must struggle and fight, at the state & local level, if we wish to build the movement strong enough to support a true rebel on the national stage.

So how about this: We support each other and stay positive! How have you supported your liberty and the liberty of your family, today? Start small (as Jordan Peterson would say, "Clean your room!"). You will be surprised at how much impact you can make by just being the best (up-beat) version of yourself and being an uncompromising (yet fun-loving) champion of liberty, on a daily basis. We must try to get liberty lovers on the national stage but we have some much more potential, as a movement, than that because even if we fail in one election - we must have the collective resolve that we will continue to grid, toil, and fight for our Natural-Born Rights. If we allow negativity to destroy our resolve, I can guarantee we will lose.

I would look to the Spartans for inspiration on this: When our enemies block out the sun, we must fight in the shade. And smile when we do it.