The Litepresence Report on Cryptocurrency

Fake, Fake, Fake . . . Never Happened

But suckered 200 Million Americans into Happysville didn't it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2rv3eub69z7ppb/Mooncoin-Neil-Armstrong.jpg

I mean wake the Fuck Up Already . . . YOU HAVE BEEN, ARE BEING, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE PLAYED UNTIL YOU WAKE UP OUT OF STUPIDSVILLE!!!!

Laugh my Ass Off . . . NASA = NAZI, always was, always will be . . . Just another tool of the New World Order! And if any doubts just do some research on the AssClown FreeMason depicted in the Pic above. No wonder he spent 40 years in hiding at Penn State post '69 eh? Ask youselves why? Answer was "Shame, Shame, Shame" at the bullshit he helped perpetrate upon Amerika!

Amerika . . . always destined to be a New World Order experiment . . . and that which must be the first to be destroyed in order to bring about the NEW WORLD ORDER!




. . . yes but now we have Bitcoin, so Fuck 'Em, and their New World Order Plans!!!!!!!
 
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omg, I don't have any idea what you guys are talking about... but have fun; whatever it is !!


Me neither, Dianne, but since there are lots of pretty colors and wavy lines on the charts, I'm insanely happy.

Of course, I please easily.



:p
 
Me neither, Dianne, but since there are lots of pretty colors and wavy lines on the charts, I'm insanely happy.

Of course, I please easily.:p

It's pretty simple . . . if you choose to use publicly available, widely acknowledged and known trading Bots (known especially to the AntiBot people watching), you will get screwed, because you are sending out your calling card saying "come and get me, rape me and steal from me, because I'm a sucker who couldn't spend the time in research how this really works!" Well then . . . You deserve what you get!

PIG IN A POKE!

Deploy a Bot with real cash, without knowing what you are doing, without knowing what every single line of code is doing, and without doing due diligence and research . . . WELL THEN YOU ARE A FOOL AND DESERVE TO GET SCREWED!!!!
 
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Me neither, Dianne, but since there are lots of pretty colors and wavy lines on the charts, I'm insanely happy.

Of course, I please easily.



:p


I'll try to break this down for you in simplest terms.

This is an orderbook:

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People place buy and sell orders on the book for the price they are willing to pay for BTC... or sell their bitcoin for.

BTCChina is calling these people "makers" and is paying them a very small microbonus if they place an order "on the books" and leave it there until it transacts. These orders are called "Limit Orders"... the people who place them are only willing to buy BTC if price is under the limit they have "bid".... conversely... on the sell side of the book... they're only willing to sell BTC if the price is at least the price they're "asking".

Exchanges like to see their orderbook "populated" with limit orders because it promotes an active exchange environment... hence the *NEW* "bonus" for placing limit orders at BTCChina. In the image above there isn't much "population in the orderbook"; its easy to buy or sell $1000 of BTC for about $795/btc but if you wanted to buy or sell $250,000 worth of bitcoin in the next 10 minutes (market order)... you'd probably go to some other exchange... because there aren't enough offers near the middle to get you a fair price... you'd have to dig deeper into the orderbook, to find someone to exchange with... and you'd get a less fair deal.


So in this way... market orders are different. People placing market orders don't put anything on the books... they TAKE the best deal OFF of the books. BTCChina penalizes people for doing this with a micro fee.


Before the "maker-taker" program everyone got charged a fee... didn't matter if they placed "limit orders" or "market orders"; at BTCe exchange for example.. the fee is 0.2% for all transactions... both the buyer and seller pay the fee... regardless of who made the offer and who took it.


follow?


In order to make any money day trading in the "old paradigm" you had to buy low and sell high... and have enough "margin" to cover your fees associated with both buying and selling. So at BTCe you would need 0.2% + 0.2% = 0.4% margin to make a "day trade" break even.


In the "maker taker" paradigm... You could buy and sell for the same price... over and over and over again... and if you could manage to do so by ONLY placing limit orders... well... then the exchange would reward you for being a market "maker". And if your volume was high enough... those micro bonuses rewarded would stack up into a nice stash... even though you traded without a profitable margin.

However its difficult to do that because you have to wait on someone else to buy and someone else to sell back to you at the same price... and if there isn't much volatility... if the price stays the same... well... then there isn't much volume and you really don't make much on fees.



Enter some moron w/ 100BTC and a bot that places market orders whenever it sees what it perceives to be a "good deal" on the books. I'm not sure exactly how this market order bot was coded... but something of the effect... "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" ad infinity...

and in the past... by placing this market order he was such a big fish with his 100 BTC order that he actually moved the market.

Well our limit order genius noticed this bots actions and decided to exploit it... so he enticed the bot to buy "into" his limit sell order... then sell into his limit buy order... over and over and over again...

The limit order bot and the market order bot went to war for 2 hours like this... each armed with 100 BTC.

Limit order man got 0.1% bonus for every transaction...

Market order bot got stuck w/ 0.2% fee for every transaction...

BTCChina netted 0.1% on every transaction...

over the course of 2 hours... at 3 AM China time... this war of market order vs limit order bots each with only 100 BTC to spend... caused 50,000 BTC worth of transactions to occur.

Each transaction getting a little smaller... and smaller as the market order bot ran out of funds...

100 Buy
100 Sell
99.8 Buy <<< less 0.2% fee lost in transaction
99.8 Sell
99.6 Buy <<< less 0.2% again
99.6 Sell

...


99 Buy <<< less many more fees
99 Sell
98 Buy
98 Sell
97 Buy
97 Sell
...

90 90 <<< less many many many more fees
80 80
70 70

...


40 40 <<<< right about here, about 90 minutes into the bot war... I realized what was happening
30 30


19
18
17
16
15
14
13

...

3
2
1

....



I suspect the owner of the market order bot was sleeping.



The owner of the limit order bot was glowing!




so we do the math:

50,000 BTC of back and forth transactions x 0.2% fee
=
100 BTC fee for the owner of the market order bot!





0.1% bonus = 50 BTC bonus for the limit order bot!

and the difference leaves:

50 BTC in profits for BTCChina




now... if you "please easily"...


You should be laughing your ass off about now.
 
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June 2013 is one of the most difficult trading situations for a "long" bot to trade. I'm a member of cryptotrader.org and you can ask any member there... June 2013 is the epitome of hellish decline in bot world.

I personally have folded to fiat and I suggest you do the same. Every open source bot that I have tested or tuned has failed during June 2013.


Until now, enter...

The Red Dragon Bot


Yesterday I created this sniping bot... It does nothing but hold fiat and wait... in backtests, it buys the bottom of the first bounce on June 8th, quickly offloads it for a 10% gain, then continues to hold fiat until it buys the absolute bottom of the June 2013 decline on July 6th. It then gives you 48 hours to disable the bot and ride the July 2013 Rally.

It is my expectation that February 2014 will mirror the events of June 2013 as you see in the image above.

The bot makes a series of small bids every 15 minutes until you move in and out of BTC. Below you see the backtests of this bot with the exact same settings for GOX, STAMP, and BTCE. In each instance it earns between 6 and 10% on the 1st bounce... and nails the bottom. The coding is VERY simple and easy to understand and will be included with purchase. It is very easily adjustable if you wish to fine tune. Because the bot is trading in multiple small bids on 15 minute scale, and can be offset from other versions by 1 minute increments, many users can use the bot without causing conflict with one another on the exchanges.


This bot is FOR SALE.


Terms will follow.




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My Red Dragon bot performing @ GOX, STAMP, and BTCE from June 8th 2013 to July 8th 2013. It makes no purchases from May31st to June 8th. In each instance of backtest the bot was given the SAME initial conditions for all 3 markets. Between the buy at July 6th and the Sell at July 8th, you have about 48 hours to turn the bot off... and engage a bullish "long" bot... or trade manually. Historically... after the June 2013 correction, July and August were bullish; more than double your money if you bought the bottom.






TERMS:

1) You send me 2 LTC
2) I send you the backtest and code for THE RED DRAGON BOT
3) ***YOU DO NOT SHARE THE BOT WITH ANYONE***
4) You, at your discretion, send me 10% of your profits on the first bounce as a gratuity
5) If the the bot makes any of its micro bids within 2% of the absolute bottom, you send me an additional 10% gratuity of your gains on the 1st bounce.
6) Upon paying your first gratuity I will send you my latest personal tune of one or more "long" bots tuned for neutral to bullish markets.
7) If I like dealing with you (upon sending your second gratuity)... I may wish to continue sending you periodic "retunes"; additional terms will follow.
8) This bot requires a subscription from www.cryptotrader.org Basic subscription starts at $24/mo, I make no claims as to the reliability of their service except to say that I am a member and I trust cryptotrader.org for my personal use.



Please contact me at [email protected] before sending your funds.

I'm a long time member here at ronpaulforum.com with high reputation for contributing to the cause of Liberty.

If you send me 2 LTC, and I send you THE RED DRAGON and you do not like the bot for any reason, I will return 1 LTC to you and ask that you not use my bot or share my code.


If you loose money using my bot. I am sorry. You trade at YOUR OWN RISK. I will NOT indemnify your losses; I am held harmless and NOT responsible.


Thank you for your interest. Best of luck.


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presence, ronpaulforums.com
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[email protected] for ALL bot inquiries



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Deploy a Bot with real cash, without knowing what you are doing, without knowing what every single line of code is doing, and without doing due diligence and research . . . WELL THEN YOU ARE A FOOL AND DESERVE TO GET SCREWED!!!!

yeah test a bot and get zero usable data because the market was manipulated in an unanticipatedly pesonally disadvantageous manner, in an extremely short period of time. Look kid, if you're dumb enough to carry your lunch money, THWACK!
 
I'll try to break this down for you in simplest terms.

This is an orderbook:

t6e70y.png



People place buy and sell orders on the book for the price they are willing to pay for BTC... or sell their bitcoin for.

BTCChina is calling these people "makers" and is paying them a very small microbonus if they place an order "on the books" and leave it there until it transacts. These orders are called "Limit Orders"... the people who place them are only willing to buy BTC if price is under the limit they have "bid".... conversely... on the sell side of the book... they're only willing to sell BTC if the price is at least the price they're "asking".

Exchanges like to see their orderbook "populated" with limit orders because it promotes an active exchange environment... hence the *NEW* "bonus" for placing limit orders at BTCChina. In the image above there isn't much "population in the orderbook"; its easy to buy or sell $1000 of BTC for about $795/btc but if you wanted to buy or sell $250,000 worth of bitcoin in the next 10 minutes (market order)... you'd probably go to some other exchange... because there aren't enough offers near the middle to get you a fair price... you'd have to dig deeper into the orderbook, to find someone to exchange with... and you'd get a less fair deal.


So in this way... market orders are different. People placing market orders don't put anything on the books... they TAKE the best deal OFF of the books. BTCChina penalizes people for doing this with a micro fee.


Before the "maker-taker" program everyone got charged a fee... didn't matter if they placed "limit orders" or "market orders"; at BTCe exchange for example.. the fee is 0.2% for all transactions... both the buyer and seller pay the fee... regardless of who made the offer and who took it.


follow?


In order to make any money day trading in the "old paradigm" you had to buy low and sell high... and have enough "margin" to cover your fees associated with both buying and selling. So at BTCe you would need 0.2% + 0.2% = 0.4% margin to make a "day trade" break even.


In the "maker taker" paradigm... You could buy and sell for the same price... over and over and over again... and if you could manage to do so by ONLY placing limit orders... well... then the exchange would reward you for being a market "maker". And if your volume was high enough... those micro bonuses rewarded would stack up into a nice stash... even though you traded without a profitable margin.

However its difficult to do that because you have to wait on someone else to buy and someone else to sell back to you at the same price... and if there isn't much volatility... if the price stays the same... well... then there isn't much volume and you really don't make much on fees.



Enter some moron w/ 100BTC and a bot that places market orders whenever it sees what it perceives to be a "good deal" on the books. I'm not sure exactly how this market order bot was coded... but something of the effect... "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" "oh shit... good deal... buy" "wait no never mind... sell" ad infinity...

and in the past... by placing this market order he was such a big fish with his 100 BTC order that he actually moved the market.

Well our limit order genius noticed this bots actions and decided to exploit it... so he enticed the bot to buy "into" his limit sell order... then sell into his limit buy order... over and over and over again...

The limit order bot and the market order bot went to war for 2 hours like this... each armed with 100 BTC.

Limit order man got 0.1% bonus for every transaction...

Market order bot got stuck w/ 0.2% fee for every transaction...

BTCChina netted 0.1% on every transaction...

over the course of 2 hours... at 3 AM China time... this war of market order vs limit order bots each with only 100 BTC to spend... caused 50,000 BTC worth of transactions to occur.

Each transaction getting a little smaller... and smaller as the market order bot ran out of funds...

100 Buy
100 Sell
99.8 Buy <<< less 0.2% fee lost in transaction
99.8 Sell
99.6 Buy <<< less 0.2% again
99.6 Sell

...


99 Buy <<< less many more fees
99 Sell
98 Buy
98 Sell
97 Buy
97 Sell
...

90 90 <<< less many many many more fees
80 80
70 70

...


40 40 <<<< right about here, about 90 minutes into the bot war... I realized what was happening
30 30


19
18
17
16
15
14
13

...

3
2
1

....



I suspect the owner of the market order bot was sleeping.



The owner of the limit order bot was glowing!




so we do the math:

50,000 BTC of back and forth transactions x 0.2% fee
=
100 BTC fee for the owner of the market order bot!





0.1% bonus = 50 BTC bonus for the limit order bot!

and the difference leaves:

50 BTC in profits for BTCChina




now... if you "please easily"...


You should be laughing your ass off about now.

Yes, thanks for the explanation !! All makes sense now.
 
Is Cryptsy slow like this all the time? I can't update my orders.

Every time I've traded cryptsy it takes +/- 5 minutes to place and cancel orders; an hour or more to move coins in and out of the exchange. Blame it on the Bangledeshi children on exercise bikes that power the server.
 
Every time I've traded cryptsy it takes +/- 5 minutes to place and cancel orders; an hour or more to move coins in and out of the exchange. Blame it on the Bangledeshi children on exercise bikes that power the server.

Thanks. I finally took some market orders at a slightly higher price, but already making back some of the BTC I lost earlier.
 
yeah test a bot and get zero usable data because the market was manipulated in an unanticipatedly pesonally disadvantageous manner, in an extremely short period of time. Look kid, if you're dumb enough to carry your lunch money, THWACK!

It wasn't necessarily unanticipated. The maker-taker fees and bonuses that BTCChina had weren't a secret.
 
It wasn't necessarily unanticipated. The maker-taker fees and bonuses that BTCChina had weren't a secret.

Nor was it exactly lunch money. But what I'm getting at is you can't expect to test a bot in that kind of environment without real money, and you can't expect to be able to get good feedback from the market, because it's going to be manipulated, in ways that are not predictable. So the position that a person is stupid for testing a bot, is misguided, cause you gotta start somewhere. Seems like making fun of the bloody guy after a fight to me.
 
I'll try to break this down for you in simplest terms.

.......

now... if you "please easily"...


You should be laughing your ass off about now.



Lulz... I was kinda/sorta joking about the "pretty colors and wavy lines" but that was a FANTASTIC explanation. You could - and should - look into writing some articles along these lines for Business Weekly or Forbes or something. It is one thing to understand a topic, it is entirely another to be able to explain it accurately in a clear, concise and understandable manner.

And yeah, the dude getting "botted" for 100 BTC is amusing. (Although I'm sure it wasn't for the guy who lost the 'coin, ha!)

I wish I had the time to really get into altcoin trading in a bit way. I have a hunch it's going to be a really interesting market for the next year or two.
 
Nor was it exactly lunch money. But what I'm getting at is you can't expect to test a bot in that kind of environment without real money, and you can't expect to be able to get good feedback from the market, because it's going to be manipulated, in ways that are not predictable. So the position that a person is stupid for testing a bot, is misguided, cause you gotta start somewhere. Seems like making fun of the bloody guy after a fight to me.


Yeah, but if I was testing something new and had 100 BTC on the line, I can guarantee that I would be watching that S.O.B. like a hungry hawk eyeballing a fat crippled mouse.
 
DOGE Video

How much DOGE do you want in your Portfolio? I don't know, but the more vids like this I see I'm thinking very heavily weighted!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wL1xNHq9ok

Never see videos like this for LTC, PPC, NMC, etc. In otherwords the Network Effect is growing and so soon shall the price be.

Have mined the first 1 BTC of DOGE and all going to plan will have the 2nd in before the block reward halves.
 
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