The Libertarian Party is on the Verge of ‘Full Collapse,’ Party Chairman Tells Board

[acptulsa]

Read your own post, you presented 2 factions and demanded an answer between them.

I'm asking why one of those factions (which you identified, shithead) picked the candidate it did when Rectenwald would have served its purpose (which you identified, shithead) far, far better. You say the CIA was using the LP to steal votes from Trump but any idiot could see that Oliver was aligned like Harris, and Rectenwald would steal many times more votes from Trump even if he wasn't their asset. So you're saying the CIA is stupid?

Now stop trying to deflect and answer the question.

 

[CCTelander]

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There are plenty of good reasons to attack the national Libertarian Party, even now, but you’re never going to hear about any of them from Swordy. In his case, it seems to be just another part if his ongoing, systematic campaign against anyone who happens to be prominent in the so-called liberty movement, and actually stands up for something resembling real liberty.

This probably needs to be repeated here:

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You know, years ago, when Swordy started attacking guys like judge Nap and Amash, I wondered about it. As time went on and he went after even more big names in the movement, I’m pretty sure I even posted the thought that old Swordy appeared to be systematically attempting to disparage and discredit prominent voices in the movement.

For a while now he’s been periodically implying that Ron is senile by accusing those around him of “elder abuse.’

Now it comes full circle and he’s come right out and accused Ron of being senile, and “Rand, McAdams and others” of being “traitors.’ He’s demonstrated a very consistent pattern and practice of trying to tear down and discredit virtually anyone prominent trying to advance a message that actually comports with the principles of liberty.

I’m not bothered by the fact that the administration here doesn’t ban him. I wouldn’t want that.

What does disappoint and disgust me is the fact that the majority of the membership here isn’t actively ripping this shitstain a new one on a daily basis for this kind of shit. It leads one to the ineluctable conclusion that they tacitly approve.

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In many ways, the national LP sucks. But they at least sometimes do something to advance the cause. Unlike a certain full-blown authoritarian forum member whose main goal often appears to be to derail and undermine it.

Just sayin’.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm asking why one of those factions (which you identified, shithead) picked the candidate it did when Rectenwald would have served its purpose (which you identified, shithead) far, far better. You say the CIA was using the LP to steal votes from Trump but any idiot could see that Oliver was aligned like Harris, and Rectenwald would steal many times more votes from Trump even if he wasn't their asset. So you're saying the CIA is stupid?

Now stop trying to deflect and answer the question.

I already answered the question.

And you picked the two factions, I said the CIA controlled the LP and you asked if the CIA was behind the part that went to Trump or the part that went with Oliver.
You can't even keep track of what you said let alone what I said anymore.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[CCTelander]

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If you oppose using violence to get get what you want, you know, actually support something that resembles liberty, they hate you.

That’s because that’s what they really want, to use violence to get what they want.

Liberty is just a rhetorical tool to them.

 

[FineSpeech]

The Mises Caucus takeover pissed off the beltway types so they bailed.

McArdle’s betrayal of the Mises types by endorsing Trump, and now still supporting him pissed off everybody else.

I think a lot of people failed to recognize that a hard-socially right turn for Libertarianism in the United States was a terrible move because it had been tried before and the end result was Libertarianism being gobbled up by Paleo-conservatism. Yeah, I agree that the COVID fiasco in 2020 and the state of the Libertarian Party then was bad in pandering to progressives and unnecessarily making fun of Rand Paul, but there's a balance between that and the weird wignat macho flashing nonsense Jeremy Kauffman gets up to on Twitter.

McArdle was horrible leadership and it's for the better that she left. She is way too divisive and membership/donations were bleeding out under her. Sawark was also too divisive. There is a huge contingent of moderates who hate the two-party system that were not really being targeted under her. Libertarians have way more potential than is commonly thought.

Trump 2024 had sort of the right idea with a 'big tent' campaign, in that they appealed to as large an audience as possible, but it's also screwed them over because that's too many conflicting ideologies to run a country properly.

Look at Ron Paul 2008/2012. He didn't win the nomination or the presidency either time, but he won a lot of people over who were undecided or not hard into politics. Hard-right, left-leaning, moderate, even a lot of high school/college aged people took to him dearly. He was undeniably popular. The 'Ron Paul Libertarian' Mises Caucus conveniently seemed to ignore that when they tried to rebrand the party.

 

[69360]

Many of them ARE the CIA.
The LP is just the left's (CIA's) Dirty Tricks division.

I don't believe that to be true. If it is, they are some piss poor operatives because the LP has done nothing of consequence.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I don't believe that to be true. If it is, they are some piss poor operatives because the LP has done nothing of consequence.

They've assisted in getting lots of Demoncrats elected, like Beshear in KY.

 

[acptulsa]

They've assisted in getting lots of Demoncrats elected, like Beshear in KY.

It takes one hell of a partisan to fail to notice they've tipped the scales in favor of Republicans too.