The Libertarian Case for Palin

[Feenix566]

Palin strikes me as someone who's more motivated by a quest for power than ideology. She's a career politician who will say or do whatever she thinks will get her elected. She's not really on our side or against it.

I'd much rather vote for someone who's ideologically motivated like Schiff or Paul. We can trust those guys not to throw their principles out the window for campaign contributions. We can't trust Palin to do the same.

 

[sevin]

Has anyone considered the fact that maybe Palin should be staying at home with her five kids (especially the one with Downs' Syndrome) instead of trying to be the executive of a country?

Theocrat, you're such a chauvinist.

 

[Volitzer]

Palin is too much of an air-head to be accepted in any other party than the Palin fan club.

 

[nbhadja]

Palin is a freedom hating big government loving liberal whore that thinks it was gods will to invade Iraq and would not be opposed to a war with Russia.

I rated this thread one star.

 

[Mini-Me]

AGHGHHH, STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! MY SOUL HURTS EVERY TIME SOMEONE PUSHES PALIN HERE!!!


This sentence is just here so I'm allowed to scream the above sentence(s).

 

[Dreamofunity]

AGHGHHH, STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! MY SOUL HURTS EVERY TIME SOMEONE PUSHES PALIN HERE!!!


This sentence is just here so I'm allowed to scream the above sentence(s).

This.

 

[teamrican1]

The Reality is that nobody knows where Sarah Palin stands on the issues. You can cherry pick her record and find things that seem like she might be on our side, such as her support for jury nullification, her husband and her support for Alaskan Independence, her states rights answer to the Drug War, and her doubts about the Iraq War. But talk is cheap and an establishment Republican could probably pick out things that suggest she's on the other side just as easily. Once Palin leaves office she will have the perfect opportunity to prove EXACTLY where she stands:

If she uses her star power to hold fund raisers for Peter Schiff and Rand Paul, then she deserves our attention and respect. If not, then we should never see her name mentioned on this forum again. It's as simple as that.

 

[speciallyblend]

The Reality is that nobody knows where Sarah Palin stands on the issues. You can cherry pick her record and find things that seem like she might be on our side, such as her support for jury nullification, her husband and her support for Alaskan Independence, her states rights answer to the Drug War, and her doubts about the Iraq War. But talk is cheap and an establishment Republican could probably pick out things that suggest she's on the other side just as easily. Once Palin leaves office she will have the perfect opportunity to prove EXACTLY where she stands:

If she uses her star power to hold fund raisers for Peter Schiff and Rand Paul, then she deserves our attention and respect. If not, then we should never see her name mentioned on this forum again. It's as simple as that.

waiting for hell to freeze over, you let me know when palin fund raises for Peter,Rand or Ron when i see Ron and Palin hanging out and raising money for our movement! i just might consider listening to anything she and her bots have to say!

 

[Steeleye]

The Reality is that nobody knows where Sarah Palin stands on the issues. You can cherry pick her record and find things that seem like she might be on our side, such as her support for jury nullification, her husband and her support for Alaskan Independence, her states rights answer to the Drug War, and her doubts about the Iraq War. But talk is cheap and an establishment Republican could probably pick out things that suggest she's on the other side just as easily. Once Palin leaves office she will have the perfect opportunity to prove EXACTLY where she stands:

If she uses her star power to hold fund raisers for Peter Schiff and Rand Paul, then she deserves our attention and respect. If not, then we should never see her name mentioned on this forum again. It's as simple as that.

Don't you know anything, she's a stupid whore! HAHAHAHAH!

 

[nayjevin]

The Reality is that nobody knows where Sarah Palin stands on the issues. You can cherry pick her record and find things that seem like she might be on our side, such as her support for jury nullification, her husband and her support for Alaskan Independence, her states rights answer to the Drug War, and her doubts about the Iraq War. But talk is cheap and an establishment Republican could probably pick out things that suggest she's on the other side just as easily. Once Palin leaves office she will have the perfect opportunity to prove EXACTLY where she stands:

If she uses her star power to hold fund raisers for Peter Schiff and Rand Paul, then she deserves our attention and respect. If not, then we should never see her name mentioned on this forum again. It's as simple as that.

no. sarah palin no.

 

[Deborah K]

Like it or not, she will be a force to be reckoned with, I predict. Say what you will, if she were elected US Senator or some such thing, I highly doubt she'd be voting with the Obamabots. We need to take back 41 seats in the house in order to UNseat Princess Pelosi and cut off Obama's future spending. The vast majority of his trillions in deficit spending is still in the future and a house majority can stop it through the House budget process.

Instead of eating our own (people who are anti-Obama) perhaps we should be looking at the bigger picture of trying the save this country any way we can.

 

[RM918]

I can't see it. Even trying to be objective about it, what has she /really/ done? Has she /really/ put her ass on the line for any significant piece of Libertarian idealogy, or taken a stand of any sort? Her support for the war is really enough to back off anything, because even if she were golden on all the other issues (Which she is far from, she is merely 'seems' to 'lean' in their general direction at times), support for the wars are too irrational.

I can only see this as a desperate attempt for people to try to latch on to Palin as a champion because, unlike pretty much everyone we have, people actually pay attention to her. This is a bad way to go, because even if, by some ridiculous turn of events she started resembling Paul at least /slightly/, she'd lose her coverage. I'm not willing to trade ideology for a bigger media profile, because even if you 'win' what is it that you've actually 'won'?

 

[BuddyRey]

There is NO libertarian case for Sarah Palin.

A libertarian case can only be made for candidates who share libertarian values.

 

[nayjevin]

Like it or not, she will be a force to be reckoned with, I predict. Say what you will, if she were elected US Senator or some such thing, I highly doubt she'd be voting with the Obamabots. We need to take back 41 seats in the house in order to UNseat Princess Pelosi and cut off Obama's future spending. The vast majority of his trillions in deficit spending is still in the future and a house majority can stop it through the House budget process.

Instead of eating our own (people who are anti-Obama) perhaps we should be looking at the bigger picture of trying the save this country any way we can.

The direction our country is going is toward bigger government.

'Our own people' to me is people who represent smaller government (rare).

Sarah Palin represents bigger government, war. Flies Israeli flag in office (doesn't respect U.S. sovereignty). Runs with John McCain (liberal). Doesn't think for herself (campaign gave her canned responses). Towed the party line (RNC convention speech). Left state in deeper debt.

Not libertarian, not even conservative.

It's not about being pro- or anti- Obama -- it's about being inside the Republicrat racket or outside of it (especially to claim one as a Libertarian).

Sarah Palin is definitely inside the 2 party stranglehold, no matter how her makeup people doll her up.

 

[dr. hfn]

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[dr. hfn]

You apparently aren't aware of the new war-equipped models we'll be using in 2012.

(so perfect!!!)

we should get this on digg!

 

[acptulsa]

Instead of eating our own (people who are anti-Obama) perhaps we should be looking at the bigger picture of trying the save this country any way we can.

Yeah, fine line.

I know exactly what you're saying. Ralph Marston put it well: 'Rather than wasting you time and energy fighting against what is, put your efforts into creating what can be.' We do need to do more of that.

That said, we aren't just anti-Obama/Biden, we're also anti-Bush/Cheney. We see there's precious little difference there, and we've had enough of the status quo. So, the question becomes does she represent the status quo?

Seems to.

By a year from October, we'll be choosing from the lesser of evils all over the place, all over again. But for now, we need to get real candidates in the pipeline--people who are willing to represent real people. And to do it, we need to determine who fits the description and who doesn't. I'm very glad we've already started this process.

 

[Deborah K]

Guys, think about this strategically instead of philosophically for a minute. We need to Co-opt!!! We need to beat these people at their own game. We NEED to get those seats back to stop this madness - correct? We are fighting an enemy who is pulling out all the stops to seal the deal (complete socialism and fascism in America). I agree that we need to get people in, using our platform. And I'm not suggesting Palin for President or anything else. I am suggesting taking the seats back and stopping the spending craze. That means bringing anyone and everyone under the umbrella who wants to do the same thing. We are not in a position yet of having a litmus test that is so stringent.

Honestly, I really don't get the disdain for Palin. I've never seen anything like it before. It has become a shark feeding frenzy. Does she deserve criticism? Of course. Is she evil and a part of the elitist establishment? There's no evidence whatsoever to confirm that. Did she tow the party line while running? Yeah..sure she did, but who doesn't do that (Dr. Paul notwithstanding)? And I don't agree at all that she can't think for herself. People in her own circles say she's independent to a fault, wary of taking the advice of others, etc. Like it or not, she comes with a strong following and some power. We need to CO-OPT! Beat them at their own game!

Look, I am in agreement that we need a full court press to get the 41 seats back. I just don't agree that narrowing the playing field down to only candidates that see things the way Dr. Paul does is the only way to go. If we don't stop the hemorrhaging, this country will surely bleed to death.

Look at it this way, you're on the battlefield fighting the NEW Revolution, and you get hit, the medic is not available, he's saving the life of someone else. There are two other soldiers nearby, one you just can't stand, and both have limited medical training. Are you going to accept their help, or are you going to risk bleeding to death by refusing their help until the medic arrives?

As I always say....if you can't beat em, infiltrate.

 

[paulitics]

Honestly, I really don't get the disdain for Palin. I've never seen anything like it before. It has become a shark feeding frenzy.
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It's very simple. She is for pre-emptive war.

 

[Deborah K]

It's very simple. She is for pre-emptive war.

I disagree that that is the only reason for all the vitriol. It may be your reason. Again, a very stringent litmus test will accomplish little. And besides, reasonable people change their minds all the time when they realize they were wrong about something.

If this is all you have against her, then go about changing her mind.