The Importance of the Virginia Governor's Race for Libertarians

[CaseyJones]

Poll: McAuliffe 42, Cuccinelli 40, Sarvis 13

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-mcauliffe-42-cuccinelli-40-sarvis-13_765718.html

 

[cajuncocoa]

Poll: McAuliffe 42, Cuccinelli 40, Sarvis 13

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-mcauliffe-42-cuccinelli-40-sarvis-13_765718.html

13% pretty impressive for an LP candidate. If Cuccinelli was a better candidate, the GOP would be running away with this race.

 

[cjm]

Poll: McAuliffe 42, Cuccinelli 40, Sarvis 13

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-mcauliffe-42-cuccinelli-40-sarvis-13_765718.html

Wow, possibly the best of both worlds. Imagine a Cuccinelli win and LP with ballot status?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Wow, possibly the best of both worlds. Imagine a Cuccinelli win and LP with ballot status?

Perhaps Sarvis is shooting for the same thing? Could explain his increasingly leftist rhetoric in the lead up to the election.

 

[erowe1]

Wow, possibly the best of both worlds. Imagine a Cuccinelli win and LP with ballot status?

I haven't been following the discussions much. What does the LP need for ballot access?

 

[cjm]

I haven't been following the discussions much. What does the LP need for ballot access?

10% in a statewide race. They then have automatic access for 4 years. Otherwise, it's 10k sigs to get on the ballot for a statewide race.

 

[erowe1]

10% in a statewide race. They then have automatic access for 4 years. Otherwise, it's 10k sigs to get on the ballot for a statewide race.

To get that high of a percentage in a real election, Sarvis would need to be way above where he is now in the polls.

But that's good news for Cooch. Once you take away about 9 of the 13 % who say they're going to vote Sarvis but who really aren't, and divvy them up between the major party candidates that they'll actually end up voting for, it will probably be about 5-6 for Cooch and 3-4 for McAuliffe.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

This isn't a case of them giving off different messages. This is a case of Ron Paul himself personally giving off the message that he supports Cuccinelli. For some, this makes him a hypocrite. Only they don't dare say so, so instead they say it's not really him, it's someone else.

Stop hiding behind codes. People think Ron Paul is a hypocrite. They think he doesn't care about liberty, but only pretends to. They should say it. Or else shut up about it. That's the only possible conclusion to draw from the OP.

No, there's an alternative interpretation, and I provided one. It's not a code, it's an alternative explanation. You are the one using code to pigeonhole those who disagree with you as questioning Paul's commitment to liberty. Paul trusts his team, they offer him good (or bad) things to endorse, and he frequently does so, regardless of the conflicts. This is a case of Ron Paul being advised wrong, then himself personally giving off the message.

Just because we don't always beforehand see the team creating these conflicts for him to adopt out in the open, doesn't mean they aren't there. You think many Ron Paul supporters are hypocrites, when all they are noticing is that some of his actions reflect a team who steered him in a questionable direction.

 

[erowe1]

No, there's an alternative interpretation, and I provided one.

You mean the "robotically going forward" bit? Otherwise, I don't see any alternative interpretation.

Besides, why would anyone doubt that Ron Paul is on board with this? If you know anything about Ron Paul, Cuccinelli is precisely the kind of candidate he would enthusiastically endorse. If anything, I'd expect Ron Paul Inc. tried to persuade him not to and he told them to shove it.

 

[FreedomFighter1776]

 

[speciallyblend]

The purists at it again. You see, they care so much about liberty that they want to choose the path that advances liberty the least, or none at all. Makes no sense to me. Help give Rand Paul an ally so he can continue to change the Republican party? Who wants that? Ugghh.

ok this has nothing to do with purists. the gop has been in power in va before and what have they done? the same as the dems, put us in more debt and support bigger intrusive gov policies. How is that better? the r and d are just yapping the same ole bs.

 

[speciallyblend]

nice

 

[SilentBull]

ok this has nothing to do with purists. the gop has been in power in va before and what have they done? the same as the dems, put us in more debt and support bigger intrusive gov policies. How is that better? the r and d are just yapping the same ole bs.

But the GOP IS changing. People like Rand Paul and Mike Lee are becoming the leaders of the party. More and more are beginning to follow because they see how popular Rand's ideas are becoming. How can we deny that the Rand Paul strategy is working? Shouldn't we be helping Rand Paul to have another possible ally for when he runs in 2016. What is accomplished by supporting the Libertarian candidate?

 

[IndianaPolitico]

Alright, let's step away from this R vs. L debate here. For people who seem to go after party loyalists, there seem to be many who want Virginia to vote for Sarvis, just because of his party label. This isn't about saving a party, this is about what is best for the country, and Virginia in particular. Cuccinelli would help ADVANCE the cause of liberty, much more so then a libertarian candidate getting 8% of the vote.

 

[erowe1]

Alright, let's step away from this R vs. L debate here. For people who seem to go after party loyalists, there seem to be many who want Virginia to vote for Sarvis, just because of his party label. This isn't about saving a party, this is about what is best for the country, and Virginia in particular. Cuccinelli would help ADVANCE the cause of liberty, much more so then a libertarian candidate getting 8% of the vote.

I agree. The case for Sarvis is nothing but pure partisanship. It's all about party labels and nothing else. The case for Cuccinelli is about what could be accomplished by electing him.

 

[BuddyRey]

If I were a Virginia voter, I'd hold my nose and cast my ballot for The Cooch for strategic reasons. Having said this, I totally understand why other libertarian-leaning voters find him underwhelming and are opting for Sarvis instead. There's really no clear "good guy" in this race, and some people just have different priorities than others.

 

[cjm]

ok this has nothing to do with purists. the gop has been in power in va before and what have they done? the same as the dems, put us in more debt and support bigger intrusive gov policies. How is that better? the r and d are just yapping the same ole bs.

This statement tells me that you are not paying attention to Virginia politics or the goings on in the RPV the last two years.

 

[CaptUSA]

 

[speciallyblend]

Alright, let's step away from this R vs. L debate here. For people who seem to go after party loyalists, there seem to be many who want Virginia to vote for Sarvis, just because of his party label. This isn't about saving a party, this is about what is best for the country, and Virginia in particular. Cuccinelli would help ADVANCE the cause of liberty, much more so then a libertarian candidate getting 8% of the vote.

ballot access is what it is about, the republicans have had the power in va and all they did was bigger gov. The gop track record is not good. There is a better choice. I am all for the lp getting ballot access. the gop is already on the ballot but not supporting liberty and has a fail track record on it.

 

[speciallyblend]

This statement tells me that you are not paying attention to Virginia politics or the goings on in the RPV the last two years.

really you know nothing then. I want the lp to have ballot access and they have a strong shot at it. The gop has been in power and has nothing to show but bigger intrusive gov. I know plenty about va and va beach. Vote Sarvis!! Everyone has a right to support someone and i support lp ballot access and sarvis has a strong chance to win that access for the lp.