The Importance of the Virginia Governor's Race for Libertarians

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Following my post, Conspiracy Theory: Ron Paul Inc. Teams Up With the GOP Establishment, I received calls from a number of observers of the libertarian movement. One chided me for giving an impression in the post that Ron Paul Inc members were once libertarian and that they are just now slipping. He made a very strong case that the members of Ron Paul Inc are opportunists and were so even when they worked directly on the 2012 Ron Paul campaign. They hold no libertarian principles and use libertarianism as a tool to advance their power.

Two callers pointed out to me the curious fact that Ed Crane is backing the Libertarian Party candidate in the race, Robert Sarvis. WaPo reports:
Libertarian Robert Sarvis is getting some late financial help in his uphill fight for Virginia governor against better-funded foes Ken Cuccinelli II and Terry McAuliffe.

[Ed Crane's] Purple PAC — a group devoted to backing candidates who are “‘red’ when it comes to economic policy, ‘blue’ when it comes to social policy” — launched a six-figure television ad buy Thursday designed to boost Sarvis’s campaign by painting him as a more appealing choice than Cuccinelli (R) or McAuliffe (D).​
Here's the Crane ad:​


Both observers note that Crane is not ignorant of the fact that Sarvis is not gong to win. This ad buy will only help out the Democrat McAuliffe, by drawing votes away from Cuccinelli and into the Sarvis corner. Some suspect that the Kochs have Cuccinelli in their pocket and that the Crane sponsorship of Sarvis is a way to get back at the Kochs, who booted him from the Cato Institute. In other words, backroom politics is running this race, not principle.​

Indeed, there are no real libertarians among the three running, as I pointed out early on, Sarvis is far from a principled libertarian. This is not surprising, his "libertarian" thinking was molded inside the Beltway. He has a Master's in economics from George Mason University.​

The pro-Cuccinelli operatives are sending out a negative email about Sarvis, identifying the various ways Sarvis leaks from libertarian principle. Curiously, though, the email is being sent out by Russ Moulton, a defense contractor! Support of a candidate by a defense contractor should not be seen by a libertarian as anywhere near a positive endorsement.​

Bottom line: There are no strong libertarian candidates in this race, Sarvis appears to be a hardcore beltarian, Cuccinelli is simply a mainstream establishment Republican and McAuliffe is a typical establishment Democrat. There is nothing in this race that libertarians should be excited about. The only reason I have put it on the map, here at EPJ, is because Ron Paul, probably under pressure from Ron Paul Inc, has endorsed Cuccinelli. It would be nice to see Cuccinelli lose, which would be a signal to the opportunists at Ron Paul Inc that Ron Paul followers are not going to follow Ron when he makes establishment endorsements.

The best thing for libertarians in Virginia to do in next week's vote is A. sit out this vote and every vote. B. Vote for Sarvis, he is not going to win, but votes going to him won't go to Cuccinelli and will signal that the Ron Paul movement is not buying into Ron Paul Inc.​
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/10/the-importance-of-virginia-governors.html
 
The best thing for libertarians in Virginia to do in next week's vote is A. sit out this vote and every vote. B. Vote for Sarvis, he is not going to win, but votes going to him won't go to Cuccinelli and will signal that the Ron Paul movement is not buying into Ron Paul Inc.

Smart, get a progressive Hillary-ally elected just to stick i to "Ron Paul Inc."

Fucking idiotic article.
 
I just don't understand why Ron Paul inc. are so heavily backing someone who is not even a liberty candidate in a race that is not even close. Based on every poll I've seen, McAuliffe is going to win by double digits. Why are so many Ron Paulites sticking their necks out for a candidate who is closer to Rick Santorum and has absolutely no chance of winning?
 
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It's a figure of speech, eduardo. He's not a liberty candidate either...which means he's no better or worse than either of his opponents.

So you're either a 'liberty candidate according to cajuncocoa' or you're evil and nothing good could come out of you in office? You might not consider him a 'liberty candidate' but many of us do, including Ron and Rand Paul.
 
So you're either a 'liberty candidate according to cajuncocoa' or you're evil and nothing good could come out of you in office? You might not consider him a 'liberty candidate' but many of us do, including Ron and Rand Paul.


Do you consider Mike Huckabee part of the liberty movement? Are there any differences that you can see between Mike Huckabee and Ken Cuccinelli? I was under the impression that liberty minded individuals didn't just campaign for any Joe-Blow Republican. What are some Ron Paul issues that Ken Cuccinelli has endorsed? I see plenty of Mike Huckabee issues that's he down with. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...50c992-39af-11e3-b0e7-716179a2c2c7_story.html
 
Cuccinelli is better than McAuliffe, there's no question on that. But better still might be to make the Libertarian Party a real force in Virginia politics.

Cuccinelli's social agenda is also strongly anti-libertarian which is a bitter pill to swallow.
 
Would the liberty movement get behind a Mike Huckabee campaign? Serious question, because I can't tell Rand Paul, Ken Cuccinelli, et. al apart from him. None of the issues that I once gave a shit about in 2007 are even being remotely addressed anymore by these watered-down Republicans.
 
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Do you consider Mike Huckabee part of the liberty movement?

No, but I don't think he's that bad on issues other than foreign policy.

What are some Ron Paul issues that Ken Cuccinelli has endorsed?

Right to life, ending birthright citizenship, strong support for the Second Amendment, lower taxes, curtailing eminent domain, marijuana decriminalisation, strong defender of the 10th Amendment, against no-knock warrants, farmer freedom...

I see plenty of Mike Huckabee issues that's he down with.

And? He's a social conservative, as are many in the Ron Paul liberty movement, including Ron Paul.

I'm sure Ron and Mike agree on quite a number of issues as well, such as treating drug use a social and medical problem not a criminal issues, eliminating corporate taxes, support for homeschooling, and being pro-life.
 
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Would the liberty movement get behind a Mike Huckabee campaign? Serious question, because I can't tell Rand Paul, Ken Cuccinelli, et. al apart from him. None of the issues that I once gave a shit about in 2007 are even being remotely addressed anymore by these watered-down Republicans.

What issues do you care about that Rand doesn't address?
 
Cuccinelli's "support" for the Second Amendment is not that strong. He does not support Constitutional carry. Permits are bullshit, they give the government a list of gun owners which is the last thing any gun owner should want. "Shall not be infringed" leaves no room for the government to have a permit system.
 
Cuccinelli's "support" for the Second Amendment is not that strong. He does not support Constitutional carry. Permits are bullshit, they give the government a list of gun owners which is the last thing any gun owner should want. "Shall not be infringed" leaves no room for the government to have a permit system.

While Constitutional Carry would be ideal, I don't think that support for a permissive shall issue system is anti-2nd Amendment.
 
There's no basis for this presumption that most of Sarvis votes would otherwise go to the GOP candidate. Almost always when a LP candidate is polled it is shown that the votes are coming equally from both major parties as well as independents and otherwise non-voters, yet the nonsense that LP votes belong to Republicans never dies.
 
While Constitutional Carry would be ideal, I don't think that support for a permissive shall issue system is anti-2nd Amendment.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

My question precisely, character for character. "permissive shall issue system" = without putting your name on the government's list, your 2nd Amendment rights are by default infringed.
 
Cuccinelli's "support" for the Second Amendment is not that strong. He does not support Constitutional carry. Permits are bullshit, they give the government a list of gun owners which is the last thing any gun owner should want. "Shall not be infringed" leaves no room for the government to have a permit system.

The NRA,GOA and VCDL endorsed him with good reason.Cooch or McAuliffe is going to be the next Governor of Virginia,PERIOD.

Would I rather see the National Firearms act of 1934 or the Gun Control Act of 1968 repealed?Or heroin or any other drug sold in any store that wants to sell them tax-free and without prescription?Or the Fed ended and the 16th amendment repealed?

Sure,but those are not our choices.Cuccinelli or McAuliffe is going to be the next Governor of Virginia,those are your choices,Period.
 
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