The great smoking experiment?

Two people in a room. One wants to smoke. The other doesn't. Which one should be forced to leave the room if they don't like it?

If the owner of the room wishes to allow smoking, smoking is allowed. If the owner of the room wishes to enact a rule that anyone who enters MUST smoke, this should be respected. If the owner of the room wishes to enact a rule that anyone who enters must NOT smoke, this should be respected. It's just an issue of properties rights.
 
I strongly dislike the smell of smoke, how it makes me hack and cough, and how it makes my eyes water. At the same time, I would NEVER demand that the government use force to prevent people from smoking or force an owner of an establishment to ban smoking. Would I avoid places that allowed smoking? Probably. But I'd never ask government to tell a business owner or an adult how to act.

As far as I can tell, the only involvement whatsoever that government should have here is this: in "government-owned" buildings and areas, they should be able to determine if people are allowed to smoke. Otherwise, it's none of their business.
 
Just like alcohol prohibition put an end to the "speak easy."

In his wildest wet dream, Elliot Ness never envisioned the surveillance grid and "War on Us" that is now in place.

There will be full compliance.

Officer Friendly is just itching at the chance to make you comply with force.

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Ditto (although I smoke the very occasional cigar and the smell doesn't bother me much).

I don't mind cigars nearly as much because it's the additives that really hurt you. Cigars don't have that. They might be harmful to some extent, but not nearly as much as cigarettes. The reason cigarettes smell bad is because they are so poisonous. Many poisons have bad smells because people and animals are supposed to stay away from them.
 
Pretty neat how evolution managed to do that, eh?

You could say that, or you could say that God made it that way for a reason. Both are equally valid hypotheses. Whether it's a product of design or evolution is immaterial, though. Just because it benefits survival, doesn't mean evolution did it.
 
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As a smoker in the process of quitting (90% transitioned to e-cig) I have always been a ridiculously 'polite' smoker. Not only do I go outside, but if I am outside with non-smokers I examine the breeze and stay downwind.

Very commendable and appreciated. Unfortunately, there is a portion of smokers that are not like that. There are smokers who intentionally blow smoke at the people around them. These are generally people looking for a fight. In other instances, there are cultural considerations. Some cultures have different ideas about what is polite and what is not.

All laws are slippery slopes, there's no getting around that. The fewer the better.
 
It's true, they have been working for years, spreading propaganda, to destroy cigarette smoking. Anymore, it seems they have made many people ashamed to admit they smoke. I see the same thing happening with pistols as well. Many people now associate someone who isn't a cop and carrying a pistol as someone they should report as being a criminal.

Interesting analogy. In the case of guns, they have gone beyond making "using them" inappropriately a crime, and have criminalized possessing them. When they make the possession of cigarettes a crime, then we are in deep(er) trouble. Just an expansion of the war on drugs, and we know what the consequences of that has been.
 
Does anyone notice it odd that at the same time this zealots are attacking smoking and smokers, legislation is going up to make marijuana use "legal"...
 
I don't mind cigars nearly as much because it's the additives that really hurt you. Cigars don't have that. They might be harmful to some extent, but not nearly as much as cigarettes. The reason cigarettes smell bad is because they are so poisonous. Many poisons have bad smells because people and animals are supposed to stay away from them.

When I do smoke, I smoke American Spirit. All natural zero additives. I have been told by non-smokers that they don't stink as much as normal cigarettes.
 
When I do smoke, I smoke American Spirit. All natural zero additives. I have been told by non-smokers that they don't stink as much as normal cigarettes.

They also shouldn't cause cancer if the tobacco is grown without using fertilizer that contains the polonium-210 isotope. So... good choice.
 
They also shouldn't cause cancer if the tobacco is grown without using fertilizer that contains the polonium-210 isotope. So... good choice.

Ya I really wish they would do some testing on this type of stuff. I switched my roommate over to the blues, but it's a tough sell on the organics since they are a good $2-$3 more per pack.
 
Ya I really wish they would do some testing on this type of stuff. I switched my roommate over to the blues, but it's a tough sell on the organics since they are a good $2-$3 more per pack.

If you google it, you will see that there have been many studies on it. They keep using it anyway..

http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/po.htm

Health effects of polonium

Polonium is studied in a few nuclear research laboratories where its high radioactivity as an alpha-emitter requires special handling techniques and precautions.

Polonium -210 is the only component of cigarette smoke that has produced cancer by itself in laboratory animals by inhalation - tumors appeared already at a polonium level five times lower than those of a normal heavy smoker.

Lung cancer rates among men kept climbing from a rarity in 1930 (4/100,000 per year) to the No. 1 cancer killer in 1980 (72/100,000) in spite of an almost 20 percent reduction in smoking. But during the same period, the level of polonium -210 in American tobacco had tripled. This coincided with the increase in the use of phosphate fertilizers by tobacco growers - calcium phosphate ore accumulates uranium and slowly releases radon gas.

As radon decays, its electrically charged daughter products attach themselves to dust particles, which adhere to the sticky hairs on the underside of tobacco leaves. This leaves a deposit of radioactive polonium and lead on the leaves. Then, the intense localized heat in the burning tip of a cigarette volatilizes the radioactive metals. While cigarette filters can trap chemical carcinogens, they are ineffective against radioactive vapors.

The lungs of a chronic smoker end up with a radioactive lining in a concentration much higher than from residential radon. These particles emit radiation. Smoking two packs of cigarettes a day imparts a radiation dose by alpha particles of about 1,300 millirem per year. For comparison, the annual radiation dose to the average American from inhaled radon is 200 mrem. However, the radiation dose at the radon "action level" of 4 pCi/L is roughly equivalent to smoking 10 cigarettes a day.
In addition, polunium-210 is soluble and is circulated through the body to every tissue and cell in levels much higher than from residential radon. The proof is that it can be found in the blood and urine of smokers. The circulating polonium -210 causes genetic damage and early death from diseases reminiscent of early radiological pioneers: liver and bladder cancer, stomach ulcer, leukemia, cirrhosis of liver, and cardiovascular diseases.
The Surgeon General C. Everett Koop stated that radioactivity, rather than tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking-related lung cancers. The Center for Disease Control concluded "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source."
Cigarette smoking accounts for 30% of all cancer deaths. Only poor diet rivals tobacco smoke as a cause of cancer in the U.S., causing a comparable number of fatalities each year. However, the National Cancer Institute, with an annual budget of $500 million, has no active funding for research of radiation from smoking or residential radon as a cause of lung cancer, presumably, to protect the public from undue fears of radiation.
 
It's all about control. Here is a little history on smoking bans:

1575: Mexico: The first recorded passing of legislation prohibiting the use of Tobacco occurs when the Roman Catholic Church passes a law which prohibits smoking in any place of worship throughout the Spanish Colonies

1600s: World-wide Popes ban smoking in holy places and all places of worship. Pope Urban VIII (1623-44) threatens excommunication for those who smoke or take snuff in holy places.

1612: China Royal decree forbids the use and cultivation of tobacco

1617: Mongolia Mongolian Emperor prohibits the use of tobacco. People breaking the law face the death penalty.

1620: Japan bans the use of tobacco

1632: America The first recorded smoking ban in America occurs when Massachusetts introduces a ban on smoking in public places

1633: Turkey Sultan Murad IV bans smoking and as many as 18 people a day are executed for breaking his law.

1634: Russia Czar Alexis bans smoking. Those found guilty of a first offence risk whipping, a slit nose, and exile to Siberia. Those found guilty of a second offence face execution.

1634: Greece The Greek Church bans the use of tobacco claiming tobacco smoke was responsible for intoxicating Noah.

1638: China The use and supply of tobacco is made a crime punishable by decapitation for those convicted

1639: America Governor Kieft of New Amsterdam beats Bloomberg by hundreds of years and bans smoking in New Amsterdam later to become New York.

1640: Bhutan The founder of modern Bhutan, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal introduces that countries first smoking ban outlawing the use of tobacco in government buildings.

1647: America People are only allowed to smoke once a day and public smoking is prohibited in Connecticut

1650: Italy Pope Innocent X's issues a decree against smoking in St Peter's, Rome

1657: Switzerland Smoking prohibition introduced throughout Switzerland

1674: Russia Death penalty introduced for the crime of smoking.

1683: America First laws in America passed prohibiting smoking outdoors in Massachusetts. Philadelphia follows suit introducing fines for offenders.

1693: England First recorded ban in England introduced prohibiting smoking in certain areas of the chambers of parliament

* Smoking bans and prohibitions became rare during the 18th and 19th century. Trade in tobacco became an important source of revenue for monarchs and leaders and tobacco bans were revoked. Even the Pope not to be left out opened a tobacco factory in 1779.

1719: France Smoking is banned with the exception of a number of provinces.

1818: USA Smoking is banned on the streets of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The mayor is fined when he becomes the first man to break the law.

1840: USA Smoking is banned in Boston

1893: USA Washington State introduces legislation banning the sale and consumption of cigarettes

1898: USA Total ban on cigarettes in the state of Tennessee

1900: USA The sale of cigarettes is now outlawed in the states of Washington, Iowa, Tennessee and North Dakota

1904: USA A women is sent to jail for 30 days by a New York judge for smoking in front of her children.

1905: USA Indiana introduces a total cigarette ban

1907: USA Washington passes legislation banning the manufacture, sale, exchange or giving away cigarettes, cigarette paper or wrappers

1914: USA Smoking banned in the US Senate

1922: USA 15 States now have laws banning the sale, manufacture, possession and use of cigarettes

Hitler was a fervent anti smoker and a crusader for the anti-smoking cause. He personally funded research into the dangers of smoking and little wonder those results given the nature of his regime tended to support his assertions that smoking was an evil the Aryan race must be rid of. Many of the studies carried out during the Third Reich are the basis for the arguments put forward today by those seeking the imposition of repressive smoking bans.

Hitler once stated that tobacco was "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man" Under the Nazi's the Bureau Against the Dangers of Alcohol and Tobacco was established in 1939 followed in 1942 by the Institute for the Struggle against the dangers of Tobacco. Nazi's were the first to coin the term "passive smoking"

Under the Nazi regime the German people had imposed on them the most comprehensive set of tobacco regulations and restrictions seen in any modern nation to that date. Hitler himself took particular interest in this area often personally overseeing the drafting and implementation of anti smoking policy.

Bans And Restrictions in Nazi Germany

* The Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938.

* The German Post office introduced.it's own ban

* Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and rest homes.

* The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939

* SS chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty in 1939

* Hermann Goering's bans soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and while taking rest periods.

* Sixty of Germany's largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941.

* Smoking was banned in air raid shelters. Some provided separate rooms for smokers

* Tobacco coupons were denied to any woman who was pregnant

* Blanket smoking bans were introduced in many cafes, bars and restaurants

* Women below the age of 25 were banned from smoking

* Restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to all female customers

* In July 1943 it became illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public.

* Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944. This initiative coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.

1973: America Arizona becomes the first state in the current wave of smoking bans to pass a comprehensive law restricting smoking in public places.

http://www.sott.net/article/139304-Lets-All-Light-Up
 
They also shouldn't cause cancer if the tobacco is grown without using fertilizer that contains the polonium-210 isotope. So... good choice.
I understand, the hairs on the leaves catch radioactive material from the atmosphere. Whenever there is a leak from a power plant or above ground nuclear test the amount of material goes up and more of it is caught on the tobacco leaves.
 
and yet.. in Casino's.. smoking is fair game - or it was last time I was in one.
 
This sounds suspiciously like an experiment to see what people are willing to accept and get them used to it at the same time.....and a gleaning tool for information on how to ease in gun control laws in this country without a major revolution. I hope I'm wrong. Thoughts on this?

I completely agree with your assessment.
How much are we willing to let them control elections?
How much are we willing to let them control the prices of gas and food?
How much are we willing to let them control the value of our wealth through fiat currency?
How much are we willing to let them turn this country into the thing they supposedly fear the most?


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I understand, the hairs on the leaves catch radioactive material from the atmosphere. Whenever there is a leak from a power plant or above ground nuclear test the amount of material goes up and more of it is caught on the tobacco leaves.

I already explained in my previous post. I also provided a link to learn more about polonium-210 and even quoted it. If you consider that tin-foil hat time for me, I'm okay with that. Personally, I believe that the only thing that causes cancer is ionizing radiation. I would bet my life that cell phones and WIFI don't (I'm an RF Engineer). I guess we all have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions on these things. I am a paranoid type by nature, but that doesn't mean they aren't after me : )
 
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