The GOP might do just as well letting Kokesh go for it

[acptulsa]

The first sentence is complete nonsense, and falls within the previous investment trap. Kokesh's whole candidacy is a waste of time. Yes there are 100's more spots to fill (you could actually shut down big government with 40 senators.), but there is very limited resources, which needto be used wisely. Any resources used towards Kokesh's candidacy, takes away resources from IMO, a more worthwhile cause

And if you're in New Mexico and you just want another conversation starter, much as Ron Paul's presidential campaign has done so much to start this conversation nationwide? And if you're misreading the New Mexico voter, and Kokesh's in-your-face conservatism is just the thing at this point in history to strike a chord with them? And if this saps just enough resources from the neocon forces to allow both Schiff and Paul the Younger into the Senate?

And by the way, honey, honey, poison refers to someone who suckers people into caring about their opinion by seeming to care about people, then purposely introduces some disruptive element designed to serve other interests than the people's interests.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

And if you're in New Mexico and you just want another conversation starter, much as Ron Paul's presidential campaign has done so much to start this conversation nationwide?

We don't need conversation starters, we need candidate's who can win.

And if you're misreading the New Mexico voter, and Kokesh's in-your-face conservatism is just the thing at this point in history to strike a chord with them?

Ha, I highly doubt it. Kokesh supporters love to toss around the fact the current Rep got 57% i the last election. They conveniently leave out the fact there was a independent running who took a lot of votes from the Dem. The GOP candidate got 28%.

And if this saps just enough resources from the neocon forces to allow both Schiff and Paul the Younger into the Senate?

What the fuck are you talking about? Are there even any neocons in that district? This is so completely backwards it's not even funny. The only people this race is going to sap resources from is Schiff and Paul. Any volunteers or donators to Adam could have been doing that for Schiff and Rand.

 

[acptulsa]

We don't need conversation starters, we need candidate's who can win.

We need to think about the early game, the middle game and the end game. Anything less and we're screwed. Volunteers actually in New Mexico are unlikely to campaign on the eastern seaboard unless they're independently wealthy. An interesting campaign by Kokesh could in some way I can't define yet help pave the way for Gary Johnson to jump back into politics. And Republican vs. Yellow Dog Democrat means a lot less both in the southwest and this year than you seem to think it does.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that there are so many variables in this thing that the conventional equations might not add up as well as you think they will.

I actually appreciate you voicing your reservations. I think you raise valid concerns. But I just don't know if all of the usual tidbits of conventional wisdom apply in this case.

 

[LittleLightShining]

We need to think about the early game, the middle game and the end game. Anything less and we're screwed. Volunteers actually in New Mexico are unlikely to campaign on the eastern seaboard unless they're independently wealthy. An interesting campaign by Kokesh could in some way I can't define yet help pave the way for Gary Johnson to jump back into politics. And Republican vs. Yellow Dog Democrat means a lot less both in the southwest and this year than you seem to think it does.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that there are so many variables in this thing that the conventional equations might not add up as well as you think they will.

I actually appreciate you voicing your reservations. I think you raise valid concerns. But I just don't know if all of the usual tidbits of conventional wisdom apply in this case.

Unfortunately, no matter how inspired I am by Kokesh, he does have a few skeletons in his closet that have the potential to be campaign killers. I'm not trying to derail or demotivate but this is something that the grassroots need to be aware of so they can make decisions about where to put their financial support.

 

[acptulsa]

Unfortunately, no matter how inspired I am by Kokesh, he does have a few skeletons in his closet that have the potential to be campaign killers. I'm not trying to derail or demotivate but this is something that the grassroots need to be aware of so they can make decisions about where to put their financial support.

Agreed. And I see no need to spam over it.

New Mexico is a unique and wonderful state. It'll actually be interesting to see how his skeletons play there. But, you know, I do wonder if money will be the deciding factor in a race like that. I'm all for southwesterners volunteering for him with their hands and hearts, but perhaps the money could well be better invested back east.

Well, I've not given to Kokesh myself, though I have given out of state this cycle. And I'll be busy with Brogdon and other local campaigns here. But I'm with you that information is good, and our discretionary spending is dependent on our discretion.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that there are so many variables in this thing that the conventional equations might not add up as well as you think they will.

I actually appreciate you voicing your reservations. I think you raise valid concerns. But I just don't know if all of the usual tidbits of conventional wisdom apply in this case.

What it boils down to, I think, is picking your spots wisely. I wish we could run 535 candidates and support them all, but it's just not feasable. What's Kokesh's candidacy amounts to is a fantasy, with very little shot of victory. On the other hand, we have Schiff and Paul, both with real shots at winning a Senate seat. Personally I wish we wouldn't run any House candidates (besides RP of course) and concentrate on these two races. Winning one of these is a gamechanger, not so if Kokesh were to somehow win.

 

[LittleLightShining]

What it boils down to, I think, is picking your spots wisely. I wish we could run 535 candidates and support them all, but it's just not feasable. What's Kokesh's candidacy amounts to is a fantasy, with very little shot of victory. On the other hand, we have Schiff and Paul, both with real shots at winning a Senate seat. Personally I wish we wouldn't run any House candidates (besides RP of course) and concentrate on these two races. Winning one of these is a gamechanger, not so if Kokesh were to somehow win.

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Schiff and Rand don't have the baggage that Kokesh has and winning those seats is really vital. They also face tough campaigns where money will be necessary to win. We need some champions of liberty in the senate. I think if we do have folks running for house seats the focus of those campaigns needs to be on educating the people. When Ron Paul ran he didn't expect to win. He wanted to get the message out.

 

[LibertyEagle]

What it boils down to, I think, is picking your spots wisely. I wish we could run 535 candidates and support them all, but it's just not feasable. What's Kokesh's candidacy amounts to is a fantasy, with very little shot of victory. On the other hand, we have Schiff and Paul, both with real shots at winning a Senate seat. Personally I wish we wouldn't run any House candidates (besides RP of course) and concentrate on these two races. Winning one of these is a gamechanger, not so if Kokesh were to somehow win.

But, you see, that's the thing. WE are not running anyone, or anything. These people chose to run of their own volition. And it is up to each one of us, on our own, whether we choose to support them and which ones we choose to support. Surely, you are not suggesting that the mob decide for all of us, are you?

 

[specsaregood]

But, you see, that's the thing. WE are not running anyone, or anything. These people chose to run of their own volition. And it is up to each one of us, on our own, whether we choose to support them and which ones we choose to support. Surely, you are not suggesting that the mob decide for all of us, are you?

Besides that, fact is Kokesh has the ability to motivate and get people involved that might not care to about Schiff or Rand. The more people we get involved and the more avenues we use, the better. This thread has inspired me to give him another $25.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

But, you see, that's the thing. WE are not running anyone, or anything. These people chose to run of their own volition. And it is up to each one of us, on our own, whether we choose to support them and which ones we choose to support. Surely, you are not suggesting that the mob decide for all of us, are you?

No, I said earlier in the this thread each individual person has to decide how to spend their personal resources. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop encouraging people to focus on these 2 races.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop encouraging people to focus on these 2 races.

That's fine, as long as you don't derail someone else's thread in doing so.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Besides that, fact is Kokesh has the ability to motivate and get people involved that might not care to about Schiff or Rand. The more people we get involved and the more avenues we use, the better. This thread has inspired me to give him another $20.

To a point yes. This doesn't mean he has run for Congress. With this logic with should just have 535 candidates, because hey, the more the better right. It doesn't always work that way. We need to pick our spots. IMO, this fantasy campaign is not one of them.

 

[specsaregood]

To a point yes. This doesn't mean he has run for Congress. With this logic with should just have 535 candidates, because hey, the more the better right. It doesn't always work that way. We need to pick our spots. IMO, this fantasy campaign is not one of them.

And at the same time Kokesh already has an existing base of grassroots support seperate from the base of support for Rand and Schiff, due to his anti-war and iraq veterans group work. So he isn't exactly "just anybody" running. He brings his own assets to the movement.

 

[ClayTrainor]

And at the same time Kokesh already has an existing base of grassroots support seperate from the base of support for Rand and Schiff, due to his anti-war and iraq veterans group work. So he isn't exactly "just anybody" running. He brings his own assets to the movement.

QFT!

Not to mention even Rand admits that he needs to learn a few things from Adam at the end of this video.

YouTube - Rand Paul & Adam Kokesh Take Over The Interwebs!

 

[No1ButPaul08]

And at the same time Kokesh already has an existing base of grassroots support seperate from the base of support for Rand and Schiff, due to his anti-war and iraq veterans group work. So he isn't exactly "just anybody" running. He brings his own assets to the movement.

I have never said otherwise. Just because he brings assets doesn't mean he has to run for Congress. Even HWP has said Adam should drop his run and campaign for Schiff and Rand.

The way I see, by Kokesh running for Congress, he isn't bringing assets to the movement, he's taking from them. He's going to spend a bunch of money running an impossible campaign. Think of the net positives he could bring campaigning for these two. Instead, he'll be off in NM running a pointless campaign.

 

[specsaregood]

Not to mention even Rand admits that he needs to learn a few things from Adam at the end of this video.

If every $25 bucks I donate to his campaign pays the gas for him to get to a public speaking event and he is able to inspire or wake-up just a few more people, I consider it money well spent. I think he may surprise in this election, long-shot or not;but I don't know much about his strategy. Esp. with the freedom's phoenix guys obviously helping him out.

 

[specsaregood]

He's going to spend a bunch of money running an impossible campaign.

For your point to have any relevance, you must first demonstrate that that money he will be spending directly negatively affects Rand or Schiff's fundraising. I'm not convinced it will. In fact, if he is able to inspire and bring more people INTO our movement, those new members may donate to Rand or Schiff whereas they might not have without his campaign.

I'll admit it, I see kokesh's campaign as primarily educational. But so was Ron Paul's own campaign and that "educational campaign" worked wonders.

 

[disorderlyvision]

Even HWP has said Adam should drop his run and campaign for Schiff and Rand.

Yeah, there is a poster we should all rally behind

The way I see, by Kokesh running for Congress, he isn't bringing assets to the movement, he's taking from them. He's going to spend a bunch of money running an impossible campaign. Think of the net positives he could bring campaigning for these two. Instead, he'll be off in NM running a pointless campaign.

And what is it exactly you are doing, aside from bitching online about what someone else is doing to fight for liberty.

He is not doing it because it is a "vanity campaign" or because it is a "fantasy"

He is doing it because he is passionate about freedom; something a few of you could learn a lesson about

 

[No1ButPaul08]

For your point to have any relevance, you must first demonstrate that that money he will be spending directly negatively affects Rand or Schiff's fundraising. I'm not convinced it will. In fact, if he is able to inspire and bring more people INTO our movement, those new members may donate to Rand or Schiff whereas they might not have without his campaign.

A fair point, however, Kokesh doesn't have to run for Congress to bring people into this movement.

I'll admit it, I see kokesh's campaign as primarily educational. But so was Ron Paul's own campaign and that "educational campaign" worked wonders.

Yes, but RP was in a Presidential race, much different that a Congressional race. Adam would do just as well traveling KY and CT and educating the people of those states.

 

[specsaregood]

A fair point, however, Kokesh doesn't have to run for Congress to bring people into this movement.

Not really. Running for congress gets him access to the media, access to political events, access to debates, all kinds of events that a general issue spokesman does not get access to or does not get the opportunity to speak at. You think the GOP is going to invite him to speak at their events as simply an anti-war guy? I highly doubt it. however as a Republican candidate, they can't really refuse him access.

Yes, but RP was in a Presidential race, much different that a Congressional race. Adam would do just as well traveling KY and CT and educating the people of those states.

You state this as a fact; but have no way of backing it up. I think Schiff and Rand will do just fine educating and waking people up in those states, I don't see how he would be much of an asset at all campaiging in KY or CT. Him campaigning in NM however reaches a whole new audience. Also see my comment above.