The EU is doing fine, what's so bad about the NAU?

Mini-Me · Mar 4, 2008

You're right that a single currency may not immediately be the most worrying thing by itself, but besides its inevitable mismanagement and the redistribution to the rich (if it's a fiat currency, which it will be), it is also a dangerous means of absolute control: If that single currency is 100% electronic and tied into your RFID chip, you can be made a noncitizen with no rights and no wealth at the whim of the establishment. If you ever step out of line, well...have fun trying to find something to eat.

zoi · Mar 27, 2008

Please read the links below, in regards as to what's wrong with the NAU.

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NAUArticles.html
Treason Abounds ~ Gov't Cabal Plots North American Union (NAU)

The August Review - The North American Union and the Larger Plan

http://www.augustreview.com/news_co...merican_union_and_the_larger_plan_2007121884/

Johnny Crab · Apr 9, 2008

porcupine · Apr 10, 2008

America is unique. Nowhere else has a Bill of Rights like ours. I'm not willing to give that up for any reason. The NAU would do that.

Overboard on federalism?? Our government isn't local enough! The answer isn't to make it even less local. A non-local government doesn't respond to the people and it necessarily has to force alot of people to do things they don't want to do. Lots of diverse locally controlled governments are better and that's why we set it up that way.

If you think this country is losing it's liberty, you'll be shocked at what they're doing in Europe. Forced DNA databases, cities that have as many cameras as people, taxes beyond belief.

Kraig · Apr 15, 2008

The AU is a horrible idea, as it has been in Europe. There will be no increase of wealth with an AU (well unless you're a "key player"), only more people for you to pay welfare taxes to, more people for you to pay to be imprisoned, more people for you to pay to be spied on (including yourself), and above all - a much bigger gap between the politicians who WILL decide how to spend your money and protect you from the risks being free, and that gap will make it that much easier for them to trample on you. If you think some form of union is needed to bring down the barriers of international trade, you might want to ask this obvious question: why can't that be done by simply removing or lowering import/export taxes? This will be nothing more than a glorified beer run at 2:00 am in Texas.

They will promise all sorts of greats things, and wealth will be the greatest of those promises. You might want to ask yourself what type of person would be motived by promises of wealth, because the honest man will already be living by his own means while the hordes of looters in welfare programs will become quite joyful with this promise.

They day we become part of the "AU" will be that last day I am a functioning member of society, I will not allow one minute of my work to contribute to this tyranny. That how strongly I feel about this issue.

Todd · Apr 16, 2008

Brave new world is much more likely....(Pacify everyone with anti depressants, internet porn, Survivor and American Idol)
Even a very liberal friend of mine agrees that this form of totalitarinism is the most plausible.

Signzit · Apr 16, 2008

Here is a primer to Big Government

enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtzrqvPfnE0&feature=PlayList&p=98E36FE9A70F7F2C&index=0&playnext=1

boggie08 · Apr 16, 2008

The EU is a shadow. As soon as a serious pressure is applied to it, it will collapse.

123tim · Apr 16, 2008

I'm glad that you asked. There's a lot that I don't have sorted out myself.

Here's my reason to oppose it....

Every merger means that there's one less choice of society in the world. Every merger means that there is one less government to do things differently. A NAU merger would combine the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Who would decide the universal law that it would require?
Would we take on a Canadian form of government? A Mexican?

The really scary thing is the next obvious step - A one-world government. This obviously would have one supreme leader. Can you imagine what sort of person this would be? Do you think that he or she would be benevolent? Do you think that we would be free? I think that we would lose everything that we're fighting to keep right now. I think that we would lose more than we could possibly imagine.

Crickett · Apr 19, 2008

There IS no appreciation of the Canadian dollar....just a tanking of our own. You will lose more liberty and get more regulated than you ever thought possible. PLUS we will all lose our very special country, that was set up to be run differently from all the rest.

truelies · Apr 20, 2008

hmmmmm, the euros earned per worker hour in Europe when compared to the dollars earned per worker hour in the USA really don't buy all that much even in the more prosperous areas- France/Germany/UK

DriftWood · Apr 22, 2008

I live in europe and liked the idea of a united europe before i got all libertarian and all. Anyways..

There are some good points to EU and the Euro..
Eu meant that a free internal market was opened. On general the EU has forced the memberstates to make their markets more free. Monopolies, subsidies, and trade barriers have be scrapped. Good stuff. The Euro has also been good because it has reduced currency fluctuations between countries wich help in making trade more predicatble and efficient. Also the central bank that controls the Euro is not as keen in inlation as the central banks that control the sterling and the dollar. The ECB only stated mission is to keep inflation under wraps as opposed to the Fed that supposed to do lots of things it shouldnt. The fed is primarly supposed to keep the economy going (by inflating), and secondarily keep infaltion under wraps (impossible), and be the lender of last resorts (more inflation).. So all this means is that even though the Euro is a soft currency, its harder than eighter the pound or the dollar. The european central bank however is coming under attack increasingly by the French President Nicolas Sarkozy who want more political control over the currency so that they can "manage it" to help the economy (read inflation). So maybe it will change for the worse. To be honest the euro is also loosing value, but not as quick. On a good note, recently many eastern european countries (and ireland) have experimented with low flat taxes and their economies are booming as a result. Also Germany lowered its taxes some years ago and its dead economy woke up again.

Now for the bad. The reason to be against EU is the same reason to be against the USA. When you take power from smaller states/countries and concentrate it into a central govt you put all your eggs in one basket. If you get a good govt that is for low taxes, stable currencie and none intervention in foreign affairs then you are lucky. However if you get a socialist leaning govt then your screwed.

One thing the Europe had going for it before EU got so much power was that European countries could never decide on a common foreign policy. That meant that europe on a whole could never really do much damage on the global scene. Now with the constitution EU will get a foreign minister and president and common military. This means EU will be able to speak with one voice and start throwing its weight around and getting involved in other countries business. Just like USA.

So I think the people that want EU to split up, should also want the US to split up. Big is bad, local govt is good, mmkay. I imagine that there would be no war with iraq if there had not been a central govt in US. Imagine that all the states would had had to agree before going to war. It would not have happened. Well, there would have not been any common military to begin with so individual states would have had to fight iraq on their own. It would not have happened. Small is good because youll have to show more respect for others that way.

So on the whole EU is worse than US when it comes to taxes and but better when it comes to stable currency and foreign policy. When it comes to democracy its a harder to tell, I'm not sure wich is worse. Then again what is democracy other than mob rule and viloation of the rights of minorities.

Cheers

revolutionman · Apr 22, 2008

In America we are our own masters, freedom and liberty are our prized posessions. We had genuine freedom and independance for 140 or so years. Its a reality that can work, and we know that from first hand experience. We had a real republic for a little while there before the faux government was installed, Most european nations went from monarchy to faux government, with some totalitarians and fascists thrown into the mix. They are comfortable being completely dominated. Thats a thick skin that takes 1000+ years to develop. We're like 700 years shy of that mark.

boggie08 · Apr 24, 2008

The EU is anything but fine. If you think it is fine, just watch this documentary. It is the EU from a British perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs&NR=1

Fox McCloud · Apr 26, 2008

I think the real problem will come for the EU, when the USA's economy (or the whole country in general) implodes. The EU will likely be the country to fill the recently created void....most likely it'll do this militarily and economically. When we get crippled, so will our currency...and no one will want to use the dollar anymore...thus we will not longer be the world's reserve currency...it's very likely that the Euro will fill this particularly vacuum.

And then the cycle will start all over again; most likely the EU will print more money that is necessary to cover investments, create bubbles, make new programs, etc....and it'll export these excess Euro's to other countries, keeping it's currency, at home, sound, but screwing over everyone else.

I just have a feeling Europe will demolish their currency much faster than we will, and a global currency will be pushed on all of us after that.....though I could be wrong.

jack555 · May 22, 2008

The problem is the people behind it are the same people trying to take away our rights. Yes theoretically a worldwide democracy would be nice but its not going to happen. And the EU has lots of problems. Somebody got arrested I think yesterday for holding a sign that said scientology is a cult. They don't have (worthwhile) rights over there. Theres so many stories like this its not even funny.

Max Stirner · May 22, 2008

One of the related questions that comes up with this for me is, what precisely is Dr. Paul's problem with super-national trade and governance organizations? Specifically economic blocks like the EU, if the Senate ratified a NAFTA/EU style trade group as the Constitution requires, would it be ok?

jack555 · May 29, 2008

Easiest Answer: The EU is not doing great. The people there do not have freedom of speech and thats just ONE problem.

If a NAU is created we will eventually lose our sovereignty. How do I know? The same people behind the NAU (ex: The Council On Forein Relations) wants to take away American sovereignty. This is common knowledge backed up by books etc (for starters try I think his name is dr. carol quiggly, someone might correct the spelling).

The people who want world government also want a population of 5 million and many want a few to be in charge with the people more or less as slaves. Where the people serve the government. Just look at the undemocratic United Nations.

jack555 · May 29, 2008

Theres nothing wrong with that but many would not accept the invitation and we ourselves can't even follow our own constitution let alone others.

What we need is a new united states government with a revised constitution etc which eliminates the b.s. we have now.

For example, we need to make the second amendment more without a doubt understandable so that no liberal/communist judge can pretend it means something else.

We need to pass something that says there can be no b.s. of having 2 bills in one. For example a bill with food for starving babies and a bill to fund devil worshipping. People will pass the bill to help the babies. This is idiotic and it happens all the time (not the literal example but u get the idea).

These are just 2 examples. The founding fathers did not know everything and we need to take what they did and improve upon it. We need a New America that gets rid of these problems and has learned from it's past.

Paulitician · May 29, 2008

Actually, I believe both Italy and Spain want to withdraw from the EU. I also hear that the euro can come under a lot of pressure over the coming years, but obviously I'm no expert on the matter.

I wouldn't be totally against an NAU or even a world government with a global currency which would be backed by gold (if by world government we mean that all the goverments in the world are Constitutional Republics similar to what our founders wanted--obviously I don't want a central world government), it's just that certain leaders are doing it underhandedly by not getting the consent of the governed. I'm also against it because these leaders want to set up this system in order to favor certain corporations at the expense of everyone else. No one should get special treatment, especially not a corporation which shouldn't even be a "person" to begin with.

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