The EU is doing fine, what's so bad about the NAU?

[Minestra di pomodoro]

Easiest Answer: The EU is not doing great. The people there do not have freedom of speech and thats just ONE problem.

Are you referring to hate speech legislation? The constituent countries of the EU had hate speech laws before accession so I don't see how you can blame it on the EU.

If a NAU is created we will eventually lose our sovereignty. How do I know? The same people behind the NAU (ex: The Council On Forein Relations) wants to take away American sovereignty. This is common knowledge backed up by books etc (for starters try I think his name is dr. carol quiggly, someone might correct the spelling).

Now you're getting into conspiracy theory territory.

The people who want world government also want a population of 5 million and many want a few to be in charge with the people more or less as slaves. Where the people serve the government. Just look at the undemocratic United Nations.

That's ridiculous. The people who wish for world government are very diverse.

 

[Minestra di pomodoro]

"The EU is doing fine, what's so bad about the NAU?"

Ask bernanke and you would probably get this answer.....

The economy is doing fine, what's so bad about the Federal Reserve?

But the EU is doing fine. The American economy is not.

 

[Minestra di pomodoro]

its all moving towards 1 union. thats why!

EU. NAU. AU( Asian Union) then, Global Union.

get it?

First you must back this up with fact
Then you must tell us why this is a bad thing

 

[Alex Libman]

EU is experiencing economic growth because of Eastern Europe de-FUBAR-ing itself from Communism, with most of its young people doing so by finding jobs in the west. They are also getting a lot of bright minds from India and other former colonies, and their growth will continue for a while as they add Turkey and Ukraine. And they are doing a few things right, like lower corporate taxes than U.S. or Japan. But everything is relative, and the EU is less than the sum of its parts. The richest countries in Europe (Switzerland, Ireland, Norway), became that way through capitalism, but EU is pushing in the opposite direction. Overwhelming tax burden, laziness-is-justified attitude, and shrinking native population will catch up to them in a few decades.

I'm not opposed to NAU in of itself, but I do see it as something that will push the U.S. closed toward socialism. We do need mutual border security with Canada and especially Mexico, but why should a plumber from Mexico have an advantage for entering our country than a Ph.D. from India? Immigration has to be competitive, otherwise an uncontrollable torrent of socialists with little respect for private property would flood the country. As far as free trade in goods and services - the only thing the government needs to do to that end is get out of the way.

 

[Paulitician]

Now you're getting into conspiracy theory territory.

The fact that the American people do not get to vote on NAU legislation that would impact them is not a loss of sovereignty? The fact that leaders deliberately have a loose border policy, when the overwhelming public are against, is not a loss of sovereignty? The fact that people's property is being taken by eminent domain is not a loss of their individual sovereignty and the sovereignty of their country because it's being used to form a borderless community? I think there are obvious and serious implications for sovereignty here--not only because of what some think tank has written but most importantly because of action. It is not a conspiracy theory anymore. Communities like the EU and USAN are reality and the wave of the future. Unless of course the public stop it, but how could they when they're not given a choice, i.e. they're not sovereign?

 

[Minestra di pomodoro]

The fact that the American people do not get to vote on NAU legislation that would impact them is not a loss of sovereignty?

What "NAU legislation"? There is no NAU legislative body.

The fact that leaders deliberately have a loose border policy, when the overwhelming public are against,

People only feel this way because of the economic downturn. They feel that immigrants are taking their jobs. Just recently, we've seen this turn to murder in South Africa. When the government tried to do something about it in 2006, massive protests ensued. It isn't really that simple.

is not a loss of sovereignty?

No, it isn't. Not if we had 1 million more immigrants.

The fact that people's property is being taken by eminent domain is not a loss of their individual sovereignty and the sovereignty of their country because it's being used to form a borderless community?

It's not a fact, it's conspiracy theory.

I think there are obvious and serious implications for sovereignty here--not only because of what some think tank has written but most importantly because of action. It is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

Sorry, still is!

Communities like the EU and USAN are reality and the wave of the future.

I agree with you there! I don't think it will even be that bad either. It would be like the United States, only the United States would be a state within a bigger union of states.

Unless of course the public stop it, but how could they when they're not given a choice, i.e. they're not sovereign?

The people are sovereign, silly.

 

[Mattsa]

Seriously, I was just thinking about how the EU and the Euro are doing great. What's the big deal?

Other than global communism, that is. I mean, in theory, isn't an NAU just the next step to a United States? Didn't everyone think we were crazy for thinking our "more perfect union" would work?

Are we going overboard on Federalism?

As a citizen of Europe.......well almost.....cos I'm British......I can assure you that all is not rosy in the EU.

Basic rights like innocence before proven guilty do not exist in the EU constitution.

It is 'Back door' totalitarianism, a Trojan Horse. DON'T be fooled

Resist any moves towards NAU. It will end America...PERIOD

There's a problem....A BIG problem

America is bankrupt. So is the UK. So is most of the developed world. The only solution being forwarded is a socialist solution, the abandonment of nation states and moves towards supra-nationalism, NAU, EU etc.

It must be resisted.....but I fear it CANNOT be resisted

The debt created by the central banking system is an artificial construct. They create debt by creating credit under the fractional reserve system, by printing paper money.

We've funded the greatest period of economic growth and false prosperity in history by printing money into existence. The bill for our profligacy and waste will be borne by our children and future generations but in our world of finite resources and exponential population growth, the bills cannot be repaid. The party is over and our children are facing destitution.

The New World Order is the response of the ruling class to a system that is collapsing around all around them. They will rule by fear and by enslaving us to curtail our ability to function as independent nation states and as free people.

We are victims of our own success. Our rapid development, our quest for new technologies could not be paid for with our existing output. I think the state of humatity is not so much the consequence of evil or conspiracy, just our inability to create systems of governance and financial control that would keep up with the speed of our development. The gold standard would have provided us with a more stable monetary system but it would have straightjacketed our progress. This is why it was rejected. Personally, I would have opted for gold as money any day, even if it had slowed human development by decades.

Now the ruling class know the bills for our profligacy cannot be repaid, we are sliding into decadence and corruption. They are losing control and authortarianism and statism are the consequence.

Difficult to know where to go from here.

Ron Paul is my hero but I do seriously wonder if Libertarianism can exist in this world. I would like to think that free markets and freedom would provide answers to the challanges ahead, but somehow I fear that fascism, fear and war are the most likely responses we can expect in the near future.

Looking forward, good will always prevail over evil. Socialism is the preminent force in global politics because it is the politics of fear and control. The good times will come back, freedom and liberty will return, but tyranny and evil are here to stay for a while.

Be prepared! That is all I can say......

Apart from....Ron paul is my hero...the greatest American for a very long time.

 

[jack555]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack555
Easiest Answer: The EU is not doing great. The people there do not have freedom of speech and thats just ONE problem.

Are you referring to hate speech legislation? The constituent countries of the EU had hate speech laws before accession so I don't see how you can blame it on the EU.



I was wrong in assuming that they had free speech beforehand. However the EU still does not provide free speech for its people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack555
If a NAU is created we will eventually lose our sovereignty. How do I know? The same people behind the NAU (ex: The Council On Forein Relations) wants to take away American sovereignty. This is common knowledge backed up by books etc (for starters try I think his name is dr. carol quiggly, someone might correct the spelling).

Now you're getting into conspiracy theory territory.

Its not conspiracy theory. There are books and lots of material on it. Like I said it is common knowledge that people in the CFR (some, possibly not all) want a North American Community. This is fact...they have published articles and books about it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jack555
The people who want world government also want a population of 5 million and many want a few to be in charge with the people more or less as slaves. Where the people serve the government. Just look at the undemocratic United Nations.

That's ridiculous. The people who wish for world government are very diverse.


While its true the people who want one world government are diverse, many with wealth and power wish for this. The idea of a small world population is admired by many globalists.

 

[Fox McCloud]

Ron Paul has a few beliefs that could be classified as "conspiracy theories", but for the most part, he thinks things out very well...if he think there's an NAU on the way and that it'll be bad, I wouldn't doubt it; he's been around a lot longer than the vast majority of us have, and he's seen more than most of us have.

Besides, just think of things logically; we have the EU, the AU (African Union), and the SAU (South American Union) was formed just a few weeks ago; there's really only 2-3 more regions that can be unionized before there are little if any sovereign nations left.

I think this desire for global governance is, at best, unhealthy...there's just way too much power concentrated at a very very high level...even if it starts off with noble desires, it could very easy be bent otherwise....after all, we were a Federal Republic for about 80-some years, then Lincoln destroyed that...sure, the States still have a lot of power, but I'd say its become far more of a unitary now.

besides, when you have 1 currency and 1 central bank, what is the likelihood it'll be back by gold? The IMF currently forbids its members from having a currency tied, in any way to gold...why would it be different after we have an International Union?

Once there is only 1 currency...and it's fiat, then you're truly screwed, as there's no safe haven to go to (especially with legal tender laws).

 

[jon_perez]

Just being devil's advocate here... (hope you guys understand what that means before rushing to flame me)

The United States did pretty well, why shouldn't a North American Union?