The Endless Drought Of 2012 Will Bake America Well Into August

[Kelly.]

How do you grow something GMO? GMO refers to the genetic make up of the actual plant. Genetically Modified Organism. Organic refers to the growing method for producing the plant. You could even grow a GMO organically if you desired. That's what I meant that you're confusing the two terms. It's not your differing opinion that is the problem. You simply don't have a clue what you're talking about. That's the problem.

try using trans-genetic organisms instead of GMO.
all organisms are genetic modifications of their parents, but trans genetic organisms have genes combined from unnatural matings in labs.

a technicality that most overlook.

just trying to help.

 

[Kelly.]

There is food grown there, but the bread basket of the world is in IL, IN, OH, KS, IA, MS etc. We've got real serious issues going into this winter with food prices

"bread basket" is a marketing term used by big agri business to give the illusion that america still grows food, we dont, we grow industrial inputs for feed, ethanol and pharmaceutical grade "wheat" (hint: white enriched flour isnt the "flour" of your grandparents day)

the wheat grown in the midwest is not capable of making bred unless it is processed and enriched.

 

[KingNothing]

I'm not confusing organic vs GMO at all. In fact I'd say I'm probably one of the few on here that has actually grown both ways. I'd take GMO 100x to next sunday over some of the "natural chemicals" used on organic food. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean I need to step up my intellectual game.

No, it actually means that the people arguing with you need to step up theirs. You've been dead-on this entire thread. They're just making things up and repeating common, false, narratives.

 

[KingNothing]

the wheat grown in the midwest is not capable of making bred unless it is processed and enriched.

 

[oyarde]

i WOULD SAY , LOOKING LIKE oCT , nOV BEFORE MUCH RAIN, AT BEST..

 

[jbauer]

"bread basket" is a marketing term used by big agri business to give the illusion that america still grows food, we dont, we grow industrial inputs for feed, ethanol and pharmaceutical grade "wheat" (hint: white enriched flour isnt the "flour" of your grandparents day)

the wheat grown in the midwest is not capable of making bred unless it is processed and enriched.

So bread basket is a marketing term similar to American land of the free? Bread basket is a commonly used term to descirbe the "heartland" of America for much longer then either you or I have been around. If thats marketing so be it. We're also no longer the land of the free either!!!!

As for enriched flour, its my understanding that they remove the outside of the wheat seed (see previous post about indigestiable) and they remove the germ (living baby wheat plant part) from the very most inside of the wheat seed which has a higher fat content to extend shelf life of flour. They then "enrich" the flour by adding in the minerals that were removed during the processing part. (even though you couldn't digest most of them in whole wheat) As for your grandparents day of flour. They've been enriching flour since WW2. They've been making white flour for centuries because it was thought to be a more wealthy type of flour.

Use whole wheat flour if you want. You can't digest the outside of the seed which is what you're after when you say whole wheat. You will gain some addtional fiber in your diet if you're having trouble in that area though.

Edit, and yes the wheat we still grow is very much capable of making flour. If they wanted whole wheat flour than grind away. No processing needed.

 

[torchbearer]

remember the dust bowl?

 

[jbauer]

No, it actually means that the people arguing with you need to step up theirs. You've been dead-on this entire thread. They're just making things up and repeating common, false, narratives.

Thanks man, glad someone else had a laugh about it all.

 

[jbauer]

remember the dust bowl?

Ding ding!!!! Hopefully this doesn't last years because its already quite ugly. We run so close to the line on growing enough food to feed the world that we can't have extended times like this without killing a bunch of people.

 

[Kotin]

My area has had very dry spring/summer for the last 3 years. This year we're finally getting the rain we should always get. I dunno...the weather is nuts these days.

Lol same here..

 

[devil21]

No, it actually means that the people arguing with you need to step up theirs. You've been dead-on this entire thread. They're just making things up and repeating common, false, narratives.

Get real. Organic growing is the method of feeding the plant and how it may be protected against pests, if at all and that is what organic is about. GMO may cover the pest side with the genetic alterations, if you only focus on a couple of Monsanto's products, but GMO has NOTHING to do with how the plant is grown/fed. Organic has everything to do with how the plant is fed. Sorry but jbauer is clearly displaying no practical knowledge of farming or plant production by continually debating GMO vs Organic. jbauer should be debating GMO vs. heirloom or chemical vs organic. Not GMO vs. organic. They are apples and oranges.

(not surprised one resident troll agrees with another resident troll though)

 

[jbauer]

Just so we're clear. The #2 post was: corn is poison, the #3 agreed and #7 went off into GM corn. Then we get into it for the next 7 pages.

So humor me, Please open your internet browser. I'm assuming you use IE because its easy and already installed on your computer. Go to google, that spelled G-O-O-G-L-E . C-O-M

Type in GMO or GM or GE or whatever, you'll find the terms are interchangeable. Since using a GMO seed IS the growing method (you shouldn't need additional pesticides at least with BT corn, since thats what this thread is talking about) It is exactly what I would compare to traditional hybrids, heirlooms, organic etc.

Yes it is the type of seed used, but it is also the type of pest resistance used as well. It IS the growing method.

Also, I've never been called a troll. Neat little tageline you can add for me. Maybe I can even find a picture to use as my avatar. That way any time someone disagrees with what I'm saying they can go off into their safe spot by calling the other party a troll.

 

[devil21]

GMO is not a growth method, it is the organism that you are growing. Hence the "O" part. Growth methods are either organic or chemical, meaning the origins of the fertilizers and pesticides used, not origins of the seed itself. Monsanto has yet to engineer a plant that grows without fertilizers. True that a GMO seed crop can not be certified as organic but certification is not what I'm talking about here. Feel free to keep arguing with me over the terminology but GMO vs Organic is a false debate, unless the entire debate is based solely on where the seed comes from, and ignores the entire remaining equation for growing a plant, such as the fertilizer origins.


(Btw, if KingNothing gives you praise then yes you are a troll. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.)