"The Constitution was intended to expand power of the government"

[Galileo Galilei]

No, a hater of the Constitution cannot give it a rest and the reason is because they want to ruin a good holiday for the people who cherish it.

To paraphrase Voltaire, if trolls like this did not exist, they would have to be invented.

 

[dude58677]

So everyone who has a problem with the Constitution is a socialist? Well excuse me all to Hell. Somebody send a memo out to Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods, Doug Casey, Boston T. Party and others informing them that they have been stripped of their "Party status" until further notice, and that they must report to Minitrue at 0600 hours for formal re-education.

I don't think Lew Rockwell would be defending the IRS's case for taxes as what is being done here.

 

[dude58677]

What is the key issue where you think he's going against Ron Paul?

"Live Free or Die" is defending the IRS's view of the income tax.

 

[erowe1]

So everyone who has a problem with the Constitution is a socialist? Well excuse me all to Hell. Somebody send a memo out to Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods, Doug Casey, Boston T. Party and others informing them that they have been stripped of their "Party status" until further notice, and that they must report to Minitrue at 0600 hours for formal re-education.

Don't forget about Ron Paul. I don't think he's nearly as huge of a fan of the Constitution as he seems to be in the dreams of some people here.

 

[awake]

"The Constitution was intended to expand the power of the federal government. While doing so, it set certain limits on what the federal government could do and other limits on what the state governments could do.

If you honestly think that the United States Constitution represented a step back for the powers of the Federal Government, you've seriously misunderstood the purpose of the document and why the Constitutional Convention was called in the first place."

The thing is, he is right. The document is the seed of monopoly from which you are now trying to beat back its branches.

You will not win an argument on the intentions of the Constitution... the intention was, like so many others, benevolent, but the result is before your very eyes.

And for those who may make the mistake, this does not make me anti-constitutional, I think it wise to return to it, but if you get there don't rest on that goal. Abolish monopoly altogether.


If you could return to the Constitution by this time tomorrow, you would only have the disease in remission... A good thing mind you, but it, "the monopoly" lives to grow again.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Government should never be allowed to serve two masters.

to borrow money, or emit bills on the credit of the United States

And that was included in the AoC before it ever found it's way into the Constitution.

 

[erowe1]

"Live Free or Die" is defending the IRS's view of the income tax.

I gather you consider the fact that everything he was saying was in opposition to the income tax an insignificant detail.

 

[dude58677]

Don't forget about Ron Paul. I don't think he's nearly as huge of a fan of the Constitution as he seems to be in the dreams of some people here.

Ron Paul called Hamilton as way out of line with the rest of the founding fathers and everyone here is citing Hamilton as the main source for how the meaning of the Constitution. Nice try!

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

"Live Free or Die" is defending the IRS's view of the income tax.

I am not defending anything. It is an insult you would make such a claim when my personal actions are consistent with my moral principles for longer than some members of this forum have been alive.

I am citing historical facts, not personal opinion.

 

[erowe1]

Ron Paul called Hamilton as way out of line with the rest of the founding fathers and everyone here is citing Hamilton as the main source for how the meaning of the Constitution. Nice try!

1) Really? Everyone here is doing that?

2) What does that have to do with what I said that you're replying to anyway?

 

[dude58677]

I gather you consider the fact that everything he was saying was in opposition to the income tax an insignificant detail.

He kept citing Hamilton as a source for what the Constitution means. When I said that Ron Paul stated Hamilton was out of line with the rest of the founding fathers. "Live Free or Die" said that Ron Paul didn't know what he was talking about because the courts have ruled against his views.

 

[dude58677]

Galileo Galilei, these tricks that Statists use to debate are so typical. They repeat the same lame argument over again, try to get the last word in, pretend to be stupid and they are trying to learn from you, name calling, threats, etc.

I have been in this liberty movement too long not to see through their games.

 

[dude58677]

1) Really? Everyone here is doing that?

2) What does that have to do with what I said that you're replying to anyway?

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Ron Paul called Hamilton as way out of line with the rest of the founding fathers and everyone here is citing Hamilton as the main source for how the meaning of the Constitution. Nice try!

I am not someone who is not going to be lectured by Ron Paul on the courts. Ron Paul is aware of the injustice of the courts, aware of people that have been persecuted by government in the courts, and advocates people do not take any risk to do what is right. According to Ron Paul people can be 100% right and lose 100% of the time in court.

So I am not going to criticize the Ron Paul's & Peter Schiff's over their choices to yield humanity in order to live to fight another day. On the other hand I doubt people who have taken personal risk (for instance, Peter Schiff's father) have any interest in being lectured by a son who compromises on moral principals to conform.

 

[dude58677]

I am not someone who is not going to be lectured by Ron Paul on the courts. Ron Paul is aware of the injustice of the courts, aware of people that have been persecuted by government in the courts, and advocates people do not take any risk to do what is right. According to Ron Paul people can be 100% right and lose 100% of the time in court.

So I am not going to criticize the Ron Paul's & Peter Schiff's over their choices to yield humanity in order to live to fight another day. On the other hand I doubt people who have taken personal risk (for instance, Peter Schiff's father) have any interest in being lectured by a son who compromises on moral principals to conform.

All right. That's a fair statement. This is going to be a moot point soon when we get these Tea Party candidates into office and they refuse to appropiate funds for the IRS.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

He kept citing Hamilton as a source for what the Constitution means. When I said that Ron Paul stated Hamilton was out of line with the rest of the founding fathers. "Live Free or Die" said that Ron Paul didn't know what he was talking about because the courts have ruled against his views.

I cited The Carriage Tax in 1795 case as THE PRECEDENT for the Constitutional meanings of the terms direct & indirect. It just happened the brief argued before and upheld by the Supreme Court in that case was argued personally by Hamilton. It just happens in 200+ years that precedent has never been overturned. I can't help it if you are incapable of discerning historical fact.

 

[Mini-Me]

Galileo Galilei, these tricks that Statists use to debate are so typical. They repeat the same lame argument over again, try to get the last word in, pretend to be stupid and they are trying to learn from you, name calling, threats, etc.

I have been in this liberty movement too long not to see through their games.

Just for the record, you should note that everyone who disagrees with you here actually believes in even smaller government than you do. For instance, Live_Free_Or_Die is so far from being a statist that he's an an-cap.

 

[dude58677]

Just for the record, you should note that everyone who disagrees with you here actually believes in even smaller government than you do. For instance, Live_Free_Or_Die is so far from being a statist that he's an an-cap.

From what I was told by "Live Free or Die". I understand.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Galileo Galilei, these tricks that Statists use to debate are so typical. They repeat the same lame argument over again, try to get the last word in, pretend to be stupid and they are trying to learn from you, name calling, threats, etc.

I have been in this liberty movement too long not to see through their games.

I think they read a couple articles on Lew Rockwell, and now think they know it all.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I think they read a couple articles on Lew Rockwell, and now think they know it all.

I will be sure to visit LewRockwell.com and drop Lew a line now that I know who to thank for the reason why I can cite Supreme Court rulings on taxation off the top of my head dating back to 1795

Try again...