"The Constitution was intended to expand power of the government"

[Deborah K]

The Constitution was designed to limit the scope and power of the federal government. That it has been subverted beyond recognition is a testament to the complacency of the American people. It was, and has been our job to select, pay, and instruct our representatives to do our bidding. We have failed miserably for various reasons.

To those of you who hate the Constitution and the Founders, I have one question: What other country has provided more freedom and prosperity than America - and why aren't you living there?

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Why the fuck would anyone blindly support the Constitution? It's clearly flawed.

One simple example, Supreme Court justices stay in for life then retire whenever they want, allowing them to time their resignations to mesh with their own political preferences as to their successors.

Anyone here that's comfortable with even that is ANTI-liberty and there are many more where that came from. Stop looking at the founders as gods, they were unelected, wealthy land owning, slave owning, white men who wanted to be free!!!

 

[Deborah K]

Why the fuck would anyone blindly support the Constitution? It's clearly flawed.

One simple example, Supreme Court justices stay in for life then retire whenever they want, allowing them to time their resignations to mesh with their own political preferences as to their successors.

Anyone here that's comfortable with even that is ANTI-liberty and there are many more where that came from. Stop looking at the founders as gods, they were unelected, wealthy land owning, slave owning, white men who wanted to be free!!!

The Supreme Court isn't the final say. There is a balance of power. Look at Article III sec. 2

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The Constitution is like handing a lighter to an arsonist and telling him not to light anything on fire. When you give the power to tax you open the flood gates that will eventually give way to a totalitarian state. It is absurd to hope the arsonist doesn't use the lighter for its intended purpose..

 

[Deborah K]

The Constitution is like handing a lighter to an arsonist and telling him not to light anything on fire. When you give the power to tax you open the flood gates that will eventually give way to a totalitarian state. It is absurd to hope the arsonist doesn't use the lighter for its intended purpose..

If you elect an arsonist, then you had it coming.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

The Constitution was designed to limit the scope and power of the federal government. That it has been subverted beyond recognition is a testament to the complacency of the American people. It was, and has been our job to select, pay, and instruct our representatives to do our bidding. We have failed miserably for various reasons.

To those of you who hate the Constitution and the Founders, I have one question: What other country has provided more freedom and prosperity than America - and why aren't you living there?

For arguments sake, lets pretend no other country is as free as the US (HAHAHAHAAH), why not strive for better? What kind of constitution just forgot about slavery and women suffrage?

Big deal, we are the hottest Denny's waitress, can't we strive for something better? Please look at some of the arguments regarding why the constitution is flawed and maybe we can fix them.

 

[Deborah K]

Why do people who hate the Constitution become members of this forum? Have you read the mission statement????

 

[dude58677]

Again you jest. I quoted a post by Danke listing every Revenue Act except 1861. I find your link inadequate. I would prefer to read it from the horses mouth, the actual Acts of Congress.

Lets see what The Revenue Act of 1861 Section 49 says:

I look forward to your next un-enlightened comment about a tax on the annual income of every resident in the United States.



I will defer your comment based on absolutely nothing to a 1957 SCOTUS ruling:



Gee no penalty for tax evasion which is like what.... most of criminal tax cases? Go figure. I sure as hell wish someone who knew what the hell they were talking about would explain all of this shit to me. Oh wait... that would include people in your age bracket. No wonder I never heard about this shit and had to learn it on my own.



Whatever size it takes to eliminate monopoly and coercion.

I take it back, calling yourself an anarcho-capitalist is laughable. It is one thing to say the government fixes court cases that go against what the founders intended but you cite Hamiliton and omit everyone else inclusing the anti-federalists and you are here trying to get the last word in as all Statists who debate online do.

You also said NOTHING about how the taxes are a moot point given that we have these new liberty candidates coming in.

It would also be another thing if you were trying to give a reason why the Articles of Confederation were better and you cited the anti-federalist papers as a result, but you are not even doing that.

Do NOT compare yourself to Per Bylund and DO NOT compare youself to Ron Paul. You are a socialist and to say otherwise is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Maybe some people are fooled by you or you have a few socialist buddies in here with you by you are not fooling me and you are not fooling Galileo Galilei.

 

[Travlyr]

Why the fuck would anyone blindly support the Constitution? It's clearly flawed.

One simple example, Supreme Court justices stay in for life then retire whenever they want, allowing them to time their resignations to mesh with their own political preferences as to their successors.

Anyone here that's comfortable with even that is ANTI-liberty and there are many more where that came from. Stop looking at the founders as gods, they were unelected, wealthy land owning, slave owning, white men who wanted to be free!!!

Just curious... have you ever studied the Constitution?

 

[Deborah K]

For arguments sake, lets pretend no other country is as free as the US (HAHAHAHAAH), why not strive for better? What kind of constitution just forgot about slavery and women suffrage?

Big deal, we are the hottest Denny's waitress, can't we strive for something better? Please look at some of the arguments regarding why the constitution is flawed and maybe we can fix them.

"We the People, in order to create a more perfect union......" Sounds to me like they were striving to better the lives of posterity in that opening statement of the Constitution. They knew that slavery was an abomination but not everything could be solved in one fell swoop. Ron Paul understands this as well, which is why he would never abolish social security, medicare, the FED et.al. in one day.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Just curious... have you ever studied the Constitution?

Yes

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

If you elect an arsonist, then you had it coming.

Why is it you say I have no knowledge of human nature. You think there is such thing as altruists who will magically get elected by the ever intelligent majority of the masses to secure your freedom and liberty? That is about as utopian, and contrary to everything we know as is the "Socialist Man". Besides, that is a non-sequitor. The issue at hand is when you hand over the power to tax, you become a slave. A totalitarian state will always arise once this power over you is given. To think you are going to "limit" the destruction or tyranny, because you write it down and hand over any sort of mechanism to fight back (If you resist the Feds, they will kill you), is absurd. Hence, the perfect analogy of the arsonist. If you hand him the lighter you are giving him the object of destruction. Same with the Constitution.

It's why there has never been a "limited" Government that ever stay limited. Why do you try to harken back to failed systems? How about you learn from their mistakes and shun the State? Embrace voluntary governance, and reject compulsory taxation, courts, law, etc. Makes no sense to me, but I guess you like giving to your children the ultimate benefit of a tyranny.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Why do people who hate the Constitution become members of this forum? Have you read the mission statement????

You sound like LE. A broken record who spouts idiotic statements. I come here for liberty, not to worship a sacrosanct piece of script. What is more important to you. Liberty, or a piece of paper?

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

"We the People, in order to create a more perfect union......" Sounds to me like they were striving to better the lives of posterity in that opening statement of the Constitution. They knew that slavery was an abomination but not everything could be solved in one fell swoop. Ron Paul understands this as well, which is why he would never abolish social security, medicare, the FED et.al. in one day.

HAHAHAHAH! Yet they owned slaves, how convenient.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I take it back, calling yourself an anarcho-capitalist is laughable. It is one thing to say the government fixes court cases that go against what the founders intended but you cite Hamiliton and omit everyone else inclusing the anti-federalists and you are here trying to get the last word in as all Statists who debate online do.

I see. Please enlighten the forum on the history of income taxation and it's application in the United States.

You also said NOTHING about how the taxes are a moot point given that we have these new liberty candidates coming in.

Just because you think a couple potential seats in Congress will create some epiphany in Congress that hasn't happened in anyone's lifetime and I don't... well I will believe it when I see it.

Do NOT compare yourself to Per Bylund and DO NOT compare youself to Ron Paul. You are a socialist and to say otherwise is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Maybe some people are fooled by you or you have a few socialist buddies in here with you by you are not fooling me and you are not fooling Galileo Galilei.

How about get off my ass until you can put up an intelligent argument based on something tangible that has occurred in United States history.

 

[dude58677]

I see. Please enlighten the forum on the history of income taxation and it's application in the United States.



Just because you think a couple potential seats in Congress will create some epiphany in Congress that hasn't happened in anyone's lifetime and I don't... well I will believe it when I see it.



How about get off my ass until you can put up an intelligent argument based on something tangible that has occurred in United States history.

 

[Deborah K]

You sound like LE. A broken record who spouts idiotic statements. I come here for liberty, not to worship a sacrosanct piece of script. What is more important to you. Liberty, or a piece of paper?

Your ad hominem attacks reveal your inability to articulate your point. If you come here for Liberty, how does this forum fulfill that, given that you vehemently disagree with its mission and think that people who do agree with it are idiots?

 

[Deborah K]

HAHAHAHAH! Yet they owned slaves, how convenient.

Yeah, they ALL owned slaves! Have you cracked open a history book lately?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Is Dude58677 actually Galileo's alter-ego? Is he going to become the second biggest troll on RPF? We shall see. Live Free or Die a socialist? Don't make me laugh

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I didn't think you had anything intelligent to contribute.