The Constitution, "a near perfect document"-Amend Article V, bring it closer to perfection

[Christopher A. Brown]

The Constitution, "a near perfect document"-Amend Article V, bring it closer to perfection

The Constitution, "a near perfect document"-Amend Article V, & PREP. AMD., closer to perfection, w/secure defense of republic

The insincere Americans here and elsewhere refuse to comment on preparatory amendment to an Article V convention and simply continue to assert that is is a "bad idea" to rewrite the constitution. This is because to comment brings focus upon it. Their masters do not allow that.

The concept is fully logical and lawful. Article V is not a rewrite, and the one real limit is that all amendments must be constitutional is ignored by the insincere that continue to sow fear of our right to "alter or abolish" abusive government.

Article V (proposed draft amendment in italics)

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof,

following provision for citizens of all states opportunity to prepare to define constitutional intent within democratic conditions unquestionably constitutional across those states,

as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.​

It's taken awhile to realize that amendment of Article V itself is the proper way to assure preparatory amendment occurs with opportunity to have effect. The biggest issue was that most Americans do not know what Article V is. Let alone that it is their first constitutional right they can involve with.

No matter, this is a good way to learn. Time to wake up to the facts America. You've been set up, and agreement, the last thing you've been taught to do. is your only way out. We cannot use violence to get out of this situation. Any advocating such, or trying to state "it is the only way", might as well be working for the NWO, because that is what the NWO wants.

Folks in New Mexico, wake up! Riots are exactly what the infiltration of government wants. They need such in order to justify militarizing against the people. instead think about simple agreement on constitutional intent, then unity using that agreement through using a write in method and popularizing your own candidates. It is basically a party that ends partisan politics. The principal party. Only called such so it can fit into politics today.

http://algoxy.com/poly/principal_party.html

A petition to organizations of elite corporations and incumbents already promoting an Article V convention. The petition asks them to be accountable to the issue of constitutional intent.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/...icle-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/

The page the petititonsite links to for full explanation.

http://algoxy.com/poly/alec_cos_petition.html

 

[fisharmor]

So the guys who willingly and knowingly turned the police forces the country over into an occupying army... those guys are going to do the right thing in an A5 convention?

 

[Anti Federalist]

So the guys who willingly and knowingly turned the police forces the country over into an occupying army... those guys are going to do the right thing in an A5 convention?

Maybe you'll have better luck.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

So the guys who willingly and knowingly turned the police forces the country over into an occupying army... those guys are going to do the right thing in an A5 convention?

Yup, that^^ There really aren't enough sane and/or rational people to elect representatives to a con-con who are selfless enough to make the CONstituion "liberty-friendly" in a meaningful way. Methinks y'all should focus on coming up with a coherent legal theory before messing around with A5 conventions.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

So the guys who willingly and knowingly turned the police forces the country over into an occupying army... those guys are going to do the right thing in an A5 convention?

I swear, some Americans would rather die than read.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

That process takes the power from all those infiltrators of the federal government AND the state legislators that are unconstitutional and gives it to citizens.

But maybe you do not want that.

Amending Article V first assures preparatory amendment, which assures an education to the people. Once they learn what is going on, they will rise to a lawful and peaceful
Revolution.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

This step by step process that educates the people has been posted for months now. Those that do not comment on it know it is logical, lawful and fully constitutional. Apparently they do not want Americans knowing about it.

Wonder why.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Maybe you'll have better luck.

Everyone knows you are not accountable to comment on the logical and lawful process that can create a peaceful revolution,

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

You think Americans should start shooting or just bend over and become slaves, or worse. I can say that because you have not commented on the process in that link.

You are not a sincere American or an American accountable to reason..

 

[acptulsa]

Amendments to the Constitution must be Constitutional?

But if it were Constitutional, then we wouldn't need an amendment to make it Constitutional, right?

"We have always a right to correct ancient errors and to establish what is more conformable to reason and convenience."
-- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1801. FE 8:82 "We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

I guess, since he doesn't agree with you, Thomas Jefferson was iNsInCeRe?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I think Mr. Brown to be sincere, but perhaps the timing is bad. The people must be educated in liberty, first.

Thomas Jefferson knew that there would need to be changes to our supreme laws, once the people outgrew the ancient coat. They must first fill the coat that was handed down, then a new one can be tailored.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Amendments to the Constitution must be Constitutional?

But if it were Constitutional, then we wouldn't need an amendment to make it Constitutional, right?

I guess, since he doesn't agree with you, Thomas Jefferson was iNsInCeRe?

Jefferson and I agree in everything you quoted. This thread is about correcting deficiencies and making yesterday's constitution work in today's world in every way.

Article V is the peaceful revolution he envisioned.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

The people know liberty, but not freedom. A sailor is given liberty from the ship he is crew to. He is still controlled by the captain and the nation the vessel originates from.

Independence is a big part of freedom. The people have become dependent on corporations to a degree that is unhealthy and unwise. They have become apathetic with the corruptions created by media.

Basically the coat handed down has big holes blown in it by the civil war. Patching the old coat, refitting it is first.

After Americans get over the serious illness exposure to the corrupting elements of evil have created, then its conceivable they could fashion a new coat.

The people might be corrupted, but the natural law awareness of their vital needs is available. Unity based in action developed and directed by the root purpose of free speech is adequate to create unity sufficient to control Article V.

 

[Spikender]

With the citizenry we have today, is it really wise to have the citizens determine Constitutional intent?

I sometimes fear that my fellow citizens don't know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Spikender]

Double post...

 

[Spikender]

Thanks for the triple, RPF...

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Given things like this (46 percent of Republicans said they believe Obama is a Muslim) I don't see it as a plus-up.

Muslim and KGB agent.

http://www.globalpolitician.com/default.asp?27395-kgb-obama-usa

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/10/russian-official-obama-is-communist-kgb_21.html?m=1

Good thing the potus and congress and courts have no authority when 3/4 of the states are ratifying amendments.

What I'd expect to see coming out of a move like this is what happened when they went in to amend the Articles of Confederation and came out with that POS Constitution.

How is it possible we have a forum where no one reads and only posts erroneous irrelevant fears of the constitution? Irrelevant in light is the process you generalize as "this".

I don't think you Understand Article V. Also, you are not reading and being accountable to a process that puts citizens in control of their states.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

With the citizenry we have today, is it really wise to have the citizens determine Constitutional intent?

I sometimes fear that my fellow citizens don't know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Actually you are basically correct. However, that does not mean they are giving up on the concept of "alter or abolish". You might be surprised to know that Americans do not know that such a concept is their first right they can involve themselves with. Article V. I've never me anyone that realized that.

But again, that does not mean they really want to be clueless complainers. They know something is wrong. They've been conditioned to think that complaining automatically fixes the problem, or something. Not knowing about Article V and that constitutional intent controls it is a real handicap. Most politically active Americans are quite stuck in "the-box" created by the elite which is partisan politics.

At some point, and it is not far off, Americans are going to realize that NOTHING in the box creates actual solution. A small change here and there is all we will get out of it. Meanwhile, like a pack of lemmings we are fast approaching one cliff or another.

The obvious one is the economy. Americans have a vague idea the economic problem was artificially created, and that the complete lack of accountability which equates to "cold war" secrecy is at the root of it. They also have a sense of conspiracy grinding away while they are in "the-box", voting for one puppet or another who is playing the elite partisan game.

I mean we have Voluntarist who actually calls the constitution a POS. Completely ignorant that since 1871, we have not been under the 1787 constitution. Voluntarist has no alternative, except perhaps going back to a bunch of uncoordinated states trying to conduct business, which is only vaguely implied. Basically we have a thread of posters that are against using their first right and have NO alternate strategy to use of their first right.

The insincere group together and stand behind their peer group consistency as if it was something. It is nothing. They have no alternatives that offer comprehensive solution.

Preparatory Amendment will be a serious awakening for America. These un accountables never discuss that. They never acknowledge the process here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

In the thread by Johnwk, against an Article V, trying to make Americans fearful. Un accountable to the concept of preparatory amendment for the SECOND time.

Basically, because free speech is abridged, my posting on these forums is a education for them. It at least raises a question, WHY aren't these supposed rebels here accountable? WHY are they not reasoning using facts of law? Why are they against Americans using natural law to unify and defend their rights, securing them?

Can there be that many un accountable people in one forum which has the pretense of being in support of the constitution?

I started on this path in October of 2013 at the dailypaul, thinking that a forum which has "Dedicated to Restoration of Constitutional government pasted across the top of each page, would have Americans that were unconditionally in support of the constitution. Well . . . it had FOUR. That is four times as many as this forum. I was banned as soon as my effort began to show success.

http://patriotaction.net/forum/topi...to-detect-and-block-cognitive-infiltration-of

So I went to that teaparty forum and posted about it. They were censoring my posts about NWO tactics, but DID pick up the Obama KGB issue. Here is seems to chill the social set. WTF?

Human beings are far more controlled by social instincts than they want to believe. So much so that IF they were beset with covert groups trying to fould their cognitition, they would be too afraid to react in anyway. Or at least it appears that way in the short term Long term no. This effort has an effect.

The citizens are the only ones that can determine constitutional intent. It is not rocket science. The root definition of the purpose of free speech, or the reaction to it, shows that. Sincere people accept it, but in a spooky social environment of un accountability against anything that actually has potential for solution, it takes some time. I have to put that time it. There is no other way.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Near perfect my ass. Takes this Article 1 Section 8 "gem":

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html?ModPagespeed=noscript

Can there be that many un accountable people in one forum which has the pretense of being in support of the constitution?

LIBERTY is the only "pretense" I support. Besides, you can't hold individuals accountable to somebody else's laundry list. What response are you expecting? Capitulation perhaps.

Not liking many parts of the constitution and seeing the good parts completely ignored, I doubt with 99% certainty that this particular effort will yield benefits. Normally, I should hold my tongue and respect your intent in this thread. But your intent changes when you make a general accusation.

 

[erowe1]

Obviously any amendment to the Constitution would automatically be constitutional, no matter what it was.

I'm for improving the Constitution. But letting Congress call a constitutional convention wouldn't accomplish that.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Obviously any amendment to the Constitution would automatically be constitutional, no matter what it was.

I'm for improving the Constitution. But letting Congress call a constitutional convention wouldn't accomplish that.

Not sure just any amendment would be constitutional. ALEC is promoting an Article V convention for a reason, and I doubt it is constitutional.

Congress is probably not going to call one. For the simple reason they have no authority when 3/4 of the states are ratifying amendments. I suspect that some state legislators are going to waive sufferage and 3/4 of the states have a predominance of unconstitutional legislators that will propose then ratify amendments which do not have constitutional intent. There is definitely a protracted agenda unrolling.

It starts in 1911 when 2/3 of the states applied for a convention to stop the federal reserve. The titanic one year later killed 40 of Americas weathiest people against leaving the gold standard.

This petition is about making these organizations accountable to addressing constitutional intent, and assuring the people get opportunity to define it.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/...icle-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/

ALEC invests heavily in cognitive infiltration. It is known the koch bros did massive astroturfing and they are the main force behind ALEC. I was surprised to find occupywallstreet cognitive infiltrators against making ALEC accountable to constitutional intent. These are the reasons I am strictly oriented on prime constitutional intent. We cannot go wrong.