Gary Johnson The case for voting for Gary Johnson.

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And who the frak cares about a vote for Johnson in the bigger scheme.

YOU don't support or like Gary Johnson, and YOU don't value votes for him. Others DO like Gary Johnson. Still others don't LIKE Gary Johnson but will vote for him if Ron Paul is NOT on the ballot, "only" because Gary Johnson IS better than either Obama or Romney.

Some don't like Gary Johnson BECAUSE he is better than both Obama and Romney, and they are eyeing the corner office for their boy Rand in 2016...in the manner of people who plan Chinese Checker moves assuming no one ELSE will move any marbles.

In the BIGGER big picture, American Politics is as a grain of sand.

RP will get more write-ins that GJ gets votes. Guaranteed.

How ya gonna COUNT those write-ins?

Or will it simply be OBVIOUS on your say-so, that Ron Paul got more invisible write-ins than Gary Johnson got verifiable votes?

Guaranteeing something that cannot be proven falls under the BLUSTER umbrella.

Johnson ain't winning shit.

D'ya mean he ain't winning any MORE shit? 'Cuz he DID win the governorship of New Mexico (as an 'R' in a 'D' state), and he breezed to REELECTION despite his heavy heavy VETO hand.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I donated my hard earned money to Gary Johnson and he'll be getting my vote in November but I have this to say. GJ also took the oath to defend the Natural born citizen requirements of the Constitution...and like the Pauls and rest of Congress he has been silent on the eligibility issue and not doing his job. GJ complained a lot about his exclusion from the Republican debates. The media called Donald Trump a conspiracy theorist for talking about Obama's eligibility...and after they did he surged to #1 in the polls...and got a multi-million dollar contract renewed. GJ would have also likely surged in the polls and qualified for the debates had he done his job. Polls show half the country has doubts about Obama's eligibility....half the Republican voters did not have a candidate who shared their beliefs whom to vote for in the primaries...that was a golden opportunity missed for Ron Paul and Gary Johnson because they were too afraid to do their jobs and too afraid of the big bad media.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...wa-republicans-say-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

 

[TheTexan]

Gary/Rand they're both garbage.

Even if they were good candidates, which they're not, politics is simply another system of control. It cannot be won. This is politics:

Ron Paul's political campaign at least got some people off the human treadmill; Rand/Gary will do no such thing.

 

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Gary/Rand they're both garbage.

Even if they were good candidates, which they're not, politics is simply another system of control. It cannot be won. This is politics:

Ron Paul's political campaign at least got some people off the human treadmill...

Byyyy . . . WORKING WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

 

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Knee-jerk Detractors will enjoy the RICK PERRY MOMENT, when Gary Johnson struggles to come up with MUAMMAR GADDAFI's name (which is spelled variantly, still, after all these years).

R O N P A U L F L I X
DEFEATING THE MEDIA BLACKOUT SINCE 2007

Israel Anderson Interview with Gary Johnson

http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/06/israel-anderson-interview-with-gary-johnson/

 

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Byyyy . . . WORKING WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

No, by saying taxation is theft, everything government does is a mandate, and numerous other anti-state phrases. As well as recommending Lysander Spooner and even Thoreau in live, national TV interviews, and numerous anarchists in his books. Giving interviews that say the government has nothing, that the only thing it can do is steal at the point of a gun, and saying self-government, not the Constitution, is his ultimate goal.

 

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No, by saying taxation is theft, everything government does is a mandate, and numerous other anti-state phrases. As well as recommending Lysander Spooner and even Thoreau in live, national TV interviews, and numerous anarchists in his books. Giving interviews that say the government has nothing, that the only thing it can do is steal at the point of a gun, and saying self-government, not the Constitution, is his ultimate goal.

First, if Gary Johnson would more closely mimic Ron Paul, Ron Paul Diehards would be MORE insulted and derisive.

Second, Ron Paul's "way" IS FAILING TO SECURE THE CORNER OFFICE.

No amount of spin of the REVISED EXPECTATIONS variety substitutes for being Top Dog Decider.

 

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First, if Gary Johnson would more closely mimic Ron Paul, Ron Paul Diehards would be MORE insulted and derisive.

Second, Ron Paul's "way" IS FAILING TO SECURE THE CORNER OFFICE.

No amount of spin of the REVISED EXPECTATIONS variety substitutes for being Top Dog Decider.

Ron Paul's "way" isn't to win political office, it's to spread ideas.

Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombs or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.

 

[Respect38]

Ron Paul's "way" isn't to win political office, it's to spread ideas.

Yeah, both are great, though. He's already done the latter, so why is that a reason not to continue to try the former?

 

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Yeah, both are great, though. He's already done the latter, so why is that a reason not to continue to try the former?

Because, to win an election, you have to limit your ability to do the latter. You can't talk about eliminating the drug war, bringing all the troops home, eliminating the income tax and replacing it with nothing, calling government roads theft, calling Medicare a mandate in a response to a question about Obamacare, and win any office anywhere. Case in point, the official campaign was putting out commercials about securing the border while Ron was on the trail saying open borders is the goal, and that we should work towards it.

Perhaps in a few decades, if we continue to grow our numbers. But by that point, the answer wouldn't be in politics; the answer would be to dissolve politics.

 

[jay_dub]

Well, I just did it. I joined the Gary Johnson talk forum.

This doesn't mean I have abandoned Dr. Paul in any way. I'm one of the few still hoping for a miracle in Tampa. I've got to be real, though. If RP is not on the ballot, my vote will go to Gary Johnson.

The GJ forum is pretty dead, but if anyone wants to go check it out, here's the link. (Hope it's ok to post it)

http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/index.php

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Be careful posting that, you could be banned.

That being said, if Ron is not on the ballot (and I do hope the lawsuit does some good and we can nominate him from the floor,) but if that doesn't happen and he is not on the ballot, my vote will be going to GJ.

And though I was temp-banned for being unfairly portrayed as a ship jumper and Johnson supporter, I haven't even joined the GJ forums yet. The Ron Paul forums have always been the central forum for ALL liberty candidates (back to 2007) and I'm not liking the divide we have among freedom candidates now.

I'll be staying here and supporting all liberty candidates. What needs to happen is the mods need to stop acting like Gestapo and welcome anyone willing to fight for liberty. The way it USED to be. Divided, we will fall. Remember it.

Well, I just did it. I joined the Gary Johnson talk forum.

This doesn't mean I have abandoned Dr. Paul in any way. I'm one of the few still hoping for a miracle in Tampa. I've got to be real, though. If RP is not on the ballot, my vote will go to Gary Johnson.

The GJ forum is pretty dead, but if anyone wants to go check it out, here's the link. (Hope it's ok to post it)

http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/index.php

 

[jay_dub]

Be careful posting that, you could be banned.

That being said, if Ron is not on the ballot (and I do hope the lawsuit does some good and we can nominate him from the floor,) but if that doesn't happen and he is not on the ballot, my vote will be going to GJ.

And though I was temp-banned for being unfairly portrayed as a ship jumper and Johnson supporter, I haven't even joined the GJ forums yet. The Ron Paul forums have always been the central forum for ALL liberty candidates (back to 2007) and I'm not liking the divide we have among freedom candidates now.

I'll be staying here and supporting all liberty candidates. What needs to happen is the mods need to stop acting like Gestapo and welcome anyone willing to fight for liberty. The way it USED to be. Divided, we will fall. Remember it.

At some point, one has to make a decision about November. I won't vote for either Romney or Obama.

If Ron is not on the ballot, GJ is, IMO, the best alternative choice. It's not like the lesser of 2 evils.

The Commissiion on Presidential Debates will base their decision on who can get in the debates on polling done after Labor Day. There's no need to abandon Ron. Tampa will be over and done with by the time of the polling. We'll know for sure whether Ron makes the ballot or not by then.

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3. INDICATORS OF ELECTORAL SUPPORT

The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.

C. APPLICATION OF CRITERIA

The CPD's determination with respect to participation in the CPD's first-scheduled debate will be made after Labor Day 2012, but sufficiently in advance of the first-scheduled debate to allow for orderly planning. Invitations to participate in the vice-presidential debate will be extended to the running mates of each of the presidential candidates qualifying for participation in the CPD's first presidential debate. Invitations to participate in the second and third of the CPD's scheduled presidential debates will be based upon satisfaction of the same multiple criteria prior to each debate.

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=candidate-selection-process

 

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At some point, one has to make a decision about November. I won't vote for either Romney or Obama.

If Ron is not on the ballot, GJ is, IMO, the best alternative choice. It's not like the lesser of 2 evils.

The Commissiion on Presidential Debates will base their decision on who can get in the debates on polling done after Labor Day. There's no need to abandon Ron. Tampa will be over and done with by the time of the polling. We'll know for sure whether Ron makes the ballot or not by then.

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3. INDICATORS OF ELECTORAL SUPPORT

The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.

C. APPLICATION OF CRITERIA

The CPD's determination with respect to participation in the CPD's first-scheduled debate will be made after Labor Day 2012, but sufficiently in advance of the first-scheduled debate to allow for orderly planning. Invitations to participate in the vice-presidential debate will be extended to the running mates of each of the presidential candidates qualifying for participation in the CPD's first presidential debate. Invitations to participate in the second and third of the CPD's scheduled presidential debates will be based upon satisfaction of the same multiple criteria prior to each debate.

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=candidate-selection-process

B. 2012 NONPARTISAN SELECTION CRITERIA

The CPD's nonpartisan criteria for selecting candidates to participate in the 2012 general election presidential debates are:

1. EVIDENCE OF CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY

The CPD's first criterion requires satisfaction of the eligibility requirements of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The requirements are satisfied if the candidate:

a. is at least 35 years of age;

b. is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and a resident of the United States for fourteen years; and

c. is otherwise eligible under the Constitution.


2. EVIDENCE OF BALLOT ACCESS

The CPD's second criterion requires that the candidate qualify to have his/her name appear on enough state ballots to have at least a mathematical chance of securing an Electoral College majority in the 2012 general election. Under the Constitution, the candidate who receives a majority of votes in the Electoral College, at least 270 votes, is elected President regardless of the popular vote.

3. INDICATORS OF ELECTORAL SUPPORT

The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.

C. APPLICATION OF CRITERIA

The CPD's determination with respect to participation in the CPD's first-scheduled debate will be made after Labor Day 2012, but sufficiently in advance of the first-scheduled debate to allow for orderly planning. Invitations to participate in the vice-presidential debate will be extended to the running mates of each of the presidential candidates qualifying for participation in the CPD's first presidential debate. Invitations to participate in the second and third of the CPD's scheduled presidential debates will be based upon satisfaction of the same multiple criteria prior to each debate.


Adopted: October 20, 2011

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=candidate-selection-process

ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
‪#CommissionOnPresidentialDebates‬ requires 15% popular vote AND EVIDENCE OF CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY to be in ‪#PresidentialDebates‬. Hmmm...


ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
‪#GaryJohnson‬ is AT LEAST as close to 15% popularity as ‪#BarackObama‬ is to having evidence of Constitutional eligibility. ‪#PresidentialDebate‬

 

[Nathan Hale]

Ron Paul's "way" isn't to win political office, it's to spread ideas.

That's BS - Paul has stated quite clearly that he wanted to work within the system and win the seat. Yes, spreading ideas is great and all, but Paul ran for the Presidency because he wanted to run for the Presidency, not because of some losertarian circa 80's and 90's plan to educate people out of the system. It's why his PACs and supporters have focused so much on picking up House and Senate seats. This is about using the system to win the system - those delegate wars at state conventions weren't about education.

 

[TheTexan]

That's BS - Paul has stated quite clearly that he wanted to work within the system and win the seat. Yes, spreading ideas is great and all, but Paul ran for the Presidency because he wanted to run for the Presidency, not because of some losertarian circa 80's and 90's plan to educate people out of the system. It's why his PACs and supporters have focused so much on picking up House and Senate seats. This is about using the system to win the system - those delegate wars at state conventions weren't about education.

You have zero idea of what you're talking about

 

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You have zero idea of what you're talking about

Is it not true that you are an Anarchist who came in from the cold only because Ron Paul is so very [everything wonderful hyperbole], but that you fundamentally reject ALL government and ALL candidates?

 

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Gary Johnson addresses Freedom Fest crowd in Las Vegas

JULY 14, 2012BY: KARL DICKEY


Speaking Saturday at the annual Freedom Fest in Las Vegas, Libertarian Party presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson charged that the greatest threats to freedom in the U.S. today are not foreign aggressors, but the federal government itself. The crowd is full of Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats and Independents who are interested in networking and learning what they can do to find freedom in an unfree world.

Johnson's speech follows:

“We have reached a sad point in history at which Americans’ freedom is not being threatened from outside, but rather from our own government and the politicians who run it. Yes, there are many around the world, whether they be terrorists or nations who harbor them, who would do us harm if given the opportunity, and who would love to rob us of our liberties. But with a national defense that represents almost half the entire world’s military spending, we are well-equipped to deal with those external threats.

“What we are failing to deal with is the fact that Congress and the past several Presidents have systematically done to freedom and liberty what no foreign enemy could do. If another nation robbed us of hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth, it would be an outrage we would not tolerate. Yet, we have watched helplessly as the politicians and the Federal Reserve have done precisely the same thing by racking up trillions in debt, devaluing our currency with wrong-headed monetary policies, and placed our dollars on the verge of collapse.

“If a foreign aggressor threatened to take away our rights to privacy, due process under the Constitution, or the fundamental liberties granted in the Bill of Rights, it would be an act of war. Yet, we need the government’s permission and must endure its probing to board an airplane, we can be stopped and frisked for simply walking down the street in New York, and we have government drones flying over farms in the Midwest to make sure manure is being disposed of legally.

“We can be detained indefinitely by our own government under the guise of protecting us. Our cell phones and internet can be monitored. And even our reading habits can be examined at our public libraries.

“If Iran actually acted to do those things to us, we would be launching missiles in an instant. But, in reality, Iran nor any other foreign aggressor has done anything to us – and probably can’t – to rival the loss of freedom and rights we are suffering at the hands of Washington, D.C.

“To a former Republican, the sad irony of these realities is that it is impossible to lay the blame for the destruction of our liberties on one of the two major parties more than the other. They are equally guilty, and equally willing to continue to spend, tax and legislate freedom into oblivion.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/gary-johnson-addresses-freedom-fest-crowd-las-vegas