Gary Johnson The case for voting for Gary Johnson.

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Gary Johnson is not libertarian. He is a centralist and thereby a statist.

Someone make a thread, the case for not voting GJ.

Mitt Romney is not libertarian. When people say NO MORE WAR, they might be lying...like Obama. When people OPENLY EMBRACE MORE WAR, like John McCain and Mitt Romney, it's a good idea to take them at face value.

Someone make a thread, the case for yanking support from Rand Paul and NOT "falling in line" as Republicans.

 

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[JohnAshman]

Might be a good time to actually read.

I have been and what I've found isn't so flattering.

For instance, I found out that he has publicly attacked SCOTUS for upholding privacy rights because he wants to be able to legislate bedroom behavior in Texas.

And that he wants to ban flag burning. I mean, what would Rothbard say about THAT?

Banning abortion in contradiction to Rothbard.

Controlling and punishing immigraiton in contradiction to Rothbard.

Lots of interesting quotes.

 

[JohnAshman]

I have been debating on whether to vote for Gary Johnson or not.

Travylr's posts in this thread have convinced me to not vote for him.

Gary Johnson is not libertarian. He is a centralist and thereby a statist.

Someone make a thread, the case for not voting GJ.

Ron Paul is more of a statist than Gary Johnson!!!!

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/profiles/tp/6-Rights-Lost-Under-Ron-Paul.htm
http://www.conservativesnetwork.com/...onsistent-one/
http://thesantaanasentinel.wordpress...-inconsistent/
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread...-Inconsistency
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1860518/pg1
http://supak.blogspot.mx/2011/12/ron...nsistency.html
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...-inconsistent/

He seriously wants to ban flag burning! Who but a statist would do that?

 

[Travlyr]

I have been and what I've found isn't so flattering.

For instance, I found out that he has publicly attacked SCOTUS for upholding privacy rights because he wants to be able to legislate bedroom behavior in Texas.

And that he wants to ban flag burning. I mean, what would Rothbard say about THAT?

Banning abortion in contradiction to Rothbard.

Controlling and punishing immigraiton in contradiction to Rothbard.

Lots of interesting quotes.

You are so full of shit that your eyes are turning brown. You haven't read anything Ron Paul has written. That much is obvious.

 

[JohnAshman]

You are so full of shit that your eyes are turning brown. You haven't read anything Ron Paul has written. That much is obvious.

I've read how he votes and I've read why he voted that way. That is where the rubber meets the road. Obama writes lots of pretty things, but then does someting entirely different. Just like Ron Paul.

Tell me what Rothbard would think of Ron Paul's policies.

You're talking about a man who puts earmarks for his district in the budget, then votes "no" so when it passes and his district gets all those earmarks, he can say that he's "never voted for earmarks". And never mention that he's inserted $billions worth.

 

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[JohnAshman]

its true GJ has a libertarian following for vetoes

but he was in an executive position...and didn't do anything other then veto stuff and make prisons.

I am not sure if you are a GJ staffer, but making stuff up about RP does not represent GJ too well.

It is June and people can still change their minds to vote for GJ.

Not a "staffer" at all. What am I making up about Ron Paul?!?!? These are all documented. What specific thing do you think I am making up.

I am simply pointing out that buying into Paul fans who claim that somehow their candidate is pure and Johnson is a statist is not based in reality.

Both are flawed. But both are WAY better than the alternatives. And if Ron Paul gets the nomination, I will vote for him because it's his last chance to be Prez and would make a great segue for Gary who has plenty of time. But if not, I'll definitely vote for Gary because he knows how to run a government and has learned plenty from his successes AND his mistakes.

 

[JohnAshman]

"In 1997, Rep. Paul had already proposed a constitutional amendment:

SECTION 1. The States shall have power to prohibit the physical destruction of the flag of the United States and Congress shall have the power to prohibit destruction of federally owned flags."

Read the article - http://civilliberty.about.com/od/profiles/tp/6-Rights-Lost-Under-Ron-Paul.htm

There are plenty more just like them, it's not "made up".

 

[thoughtomator]

FYI everyone this same dickhead has been trolling dailypaul.com as well

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/56009

Get a life, loser. And take your GJ campaigning to a GJ site where it belongs.

 

[CaseyJones]

adios JohnAshman

 

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I am not sure if you are a GJ staffer, but making stuff up about RP does not represent GJ too well.

It is June and people can still change their minds to vote for GJ.

He is not bashful about it...sez outright that he is a "Smart Richard".

Meaning...he'd KNOW that disparaging Ron Paul would not only turn Ron Paul Supporters AWAY from Gary Johnson, but pit them fiercely AGAINST Gary Johnson.

WOULDN'T he? Yes, he would.

Voila...

Get a life, loser. And take your GJ campaigning to a GJ site where it belongs.

Like clockwork.

 

[nzapanda]

Voting for GJ will only throw a wrench into the liberty movement in multitude of ways.

 

[Peace Piper]

Voting for GJ will only throw a wrench into the liberty movement in multitude of ways.

And what will a vote for Romney, as Ron Paul's son advocates, do for the "liberty movement"?

I still can't believe Rand endorsed this buffoon before Florida.

Raimondo nails it pretty well:

Rand Paul’s Oedipal Drama

Ron vs. Rand: a study in betrayal
by Justin Raimondo, June 18, 2012

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/06/17/rand-pauls-oedipal-drama/

"...In an alternately opaque and all-too-revealing interview with the Daily Paul web site, in which he tried to explain why he endorsed Mitt Romney, Sen. Paul actually said “It doesn’t mean anything.” I’m sure the Romney campaign will be quite glad to hear that.

However, a few minutes later he was infusing the endorsement with historic significance, telling his no doubt baffled and increasingly skeptical listeners it would open all kinds of doors for the “liberty movement,” among them the promise that “we are going to have a big influence over what happens with the platform.” Citing a laundry list of his own personal legislative goals – legalizing hemp, ending mandatory minimums for nonviolent crimes, auditing the Fed – he declared “we need to look beyond politics.”


I wouldn't vote for Romney if Ron Paul endorsed him, because Romney is a liar, fraud and warmonger.

F Willard- Gary Johnson 2012

 

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Voting for GJ will only throw a wrench into the liberty movement in multitude of ways.

It should be EZPZ to rattle off the "Top Ten".

 

[PowerOfLiberty]

That is true, and horrible. A champion of Liberty AND decriminalization of Marijuana had it within his literal grasp to pardon non-violent drug "offenders", and he opted for more prison space...shopped it out to MERCENARIES, no less.

Now. Bear in mind that I am NOT weighing this against Mother Theresa. Bear in mind that I am weighing this against people who virtually guarantee MORE WAR...whereas Gary Johnson calls for immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan, without ANY equivocation about "regional stability" (unknown AT LEAST since Biblical times).

I decided that Gary Johnson did not release non-violent drug offenders because, after wrongly serving hard HARD time in federal penitentiaries, those non-violent Druggies will be CHANGED. Talk about SLIM possibilities...the possibility lies between very slim and ZERO, that not one of those (highly unemployable) Ex-Cons would not commit [FILL IN THE HORRID BLANK], catapulting the WILLIE HORTON card into Gary Johnson's kitchen sink.

Calculated? Absolutely. Cowardly? Kinda. PRACTICAL. You betcha. HE did not create The Game that Rand Apologists defend playing. Rand could be quixotically championing elimination of TSA, rather than its privatization.

Leaving wrongly (but lawfully) incarcerated people in prison is really, really bad. Leaving American Soldiers in harm's way because we have no stateside jobs for them . . . is that WORSE, or the SAME level of really really bad? Would you rather hang or fry?

Johnson is not talking MORE War. Romney IS talking more war. Obama, Nobel Peace Prize?! Not even an APPEARANCE of propriety.

I believe GOVERNMENT = NECESSARY EVIL. Anarchists do NOT believe that.

Stipulating that Government IS a Necessary Evil...a reasonable stipulation, given that America has ALWAYS had Governance and that there is not a glimmer of a chance of her having NONE in any of our lifetimes...Gary Johnson, pitted against Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, IS the Lesser Evil. At the very LEAST, he is that.

This was like spoken word.

 

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Get a life, loser. And take your GJ campaigning to a GJ site where it belongs.

How shall Liberty folk know which Liberty Candidates pass muster in Liberty Forest?

If It is "simply" inappropriate to pimp a Plan B while Ron Paul's candidacy is still alive, then Rand Paul should be PERSONA NON GRATA for endorsing the Competition. There must be some OTHER guideline. Can you enlighten?

 

[V3n]

How shall Liberty folk know which Liberty Candidates pass muster in Liberty Forest?

If It is "simply" inappropriate to pimp a Plan B while Ron Paul's candidacy is still alive, then Rand Paul should be PERSONA NON GRATA for endorsing the Competition. There must be some OTHER guideline. Can you enlighten?

Are you able to promote Gary Johnson without bashing Rand Paul? I mean, is it even possible?
Because you don't seem able to do that.
If Gary Johnson is such a great Liberty Candidate, why aren't you able to speak on his merits, without trying to destroy others?

 

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Are you able to promote Gary Johnson without bashing Rand Paul? I mean, is it even possible?
Because you don't seem able to do that.
If Gary Johnson is such a great Liberty Candidate, why aren't you able to speak on his merits, without trying to destroy others?

Sure, it's possible.

But "simply" promoting Gary Johnson AS A VIABLE PLAN B IF RON PAUL IS NOT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT gets me a ration of shit about traitorousness, 'cuz board namesake Ron Paul's hat is still in the ring.

Which brings me to RAND.