Gary Johnson The case for voting for Gary Johnson.

[Sam I am]

If Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican Nomination, then I will most likely vote for Gary Johnson in the general.

Now, I have yet do do very much in-depth study on Gary Johnson, but unless, I find him to be sufficiently worse than Mitt Romney, or Barack Obama, the details of his politics really aren't that important to me.

The important part for me is that the general public might start to take third parties seriously. If the Libertarian party gets 15%-20% of the vote one year, maybe that will embolden people who currently vote democratic or republican, to vote Libertarian the next election cycle.

It will make the Republican establishment have less faith in the idea that they will always get the conservative vote merely because their only opponent is a democrat.

Generally speaking, the relative success of a third party candidate has the potential to shake the entire political system.


and for those of you who might not like Gary Johnson, if your vote is the vote that puts Gary Johnson into office, can you really say that you'd be worse off than if Obama or Romney won?

 

[thoughtomator]

I don't vote for fascists no matter how kind and efficient one might be. Johnson's underlying governing philosophy is no different from Obama or Romney, he just wants to do it less expensively. At this point in time that's not a good thing, as the next term of Obama or Romney will blow up the present fascist system faster than a term of Johnson would.

For example, despite having been directly educated in the issue by knowledgeable experts, Johnson still can't find any crimes committed by titans of the financial system in the continuing aftermath of historic, epic, systemwide fraud.

Johnson has been clear time and time again as to where he stands - the only things he wants to change are those that are not cost-efficient for the government. In other words, his dispute with R/D parties is not about the relationship of government to the people, as ours is, but merely in the details of how the present system is administered.

As a real resumption of the rule of law and the supremacy of the Constitution is not on the table with any of them, better that we live through the crisis of the self-destruction of the fascist system rather than force the next generation to suck up that hit. It's our responsibility and our cross to bear. I for one am ready to bear it.

And of course the last thing we need is for Libertarians to be holding the bag when the shit hits the fan sometime during the next President's term.

 

[JohnAshman]

I don't vote for fascists no matter how kind and efficient one might be. Johnson's underlying governing philosophy is no different from Obama or Romney, he just wants to do it less expensively. At this point in time that's not a good thing, as the next term of Obama or Romney will blow up the present fascist system faster than a term of Johnson would.

[/QUOTE]

Is this another attempt to claim that Ron Paul is less close to the Robamney twins than Johnson? Because if so, I'd like more back up and less opinion.

 

[Travlyr]

Gary Johnson has a record as Governor of New Mexico of not pardoning non-violent prisoners, building prisons, and privatizing/corporatizing them. No Thanks.

 

[thoughtomator]

Is this another attempt to claim that Ron Paul is less close to the Robamney twins than Johnson? Because if so, I'd like more back up and less opinion.

I am NOT going to do basic Internet searches for you if you're too lazy to get the facts and compare/contrast yourself. http://google.com go verify everything for yourself

I'm already tired of the invasion of Gary Johnson campaign staff here.

 

[Travlyr]

I am NOT going to do basic Internet searches for you if you're too lazy to get the facts and compare/contrast yourself. http://google.com go verify everything for yourself

I'm already tired of the invasion of Gary Johnson campaign staff here.

Yeah, no kidding. People who do their own homework are the winners. GOOGLE.com is easy.

 

[cheapseats]

Gary Johnson has a record as Governor of New Mexico of not pardoning non-violent prisoners, building prisons, and privatizing/corporatizing them. No Thanks.

That is true, and horrible. A champion of Liberty AND decriminalization of Marijuana had it within his literal grasp to pardon non-violent drug "offenders", and he opted for more prison space...shopped it out to MERCENARIES, no less.

Now. Bear in mind that I am NOT weighing this against Mother Theresa. Bear in mind that I am weighing this against people who virtually guarantee MORE WAR...whereas Gary Johnson calls for immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan, without ANY equivocation about "regional stability" (unknown AT LEAST since Biblical times).

I decided that Gary Johnson did not release non-violent drug offenders because, after wrongly serving hard HARD time in federal penitentiaries, those non-violent Druggies will be CHANGED. Talk about SLIM possibilities...the possibility lies between very slim and ZERO, that not one of those (highly unemployable) Ex-Cons would not commit [FILL IN THE HORRID BLANK], catapulting the WILLIE HORTON card into Gary Johnson's kitchen sink.

Calculated? Absolutely. Cowardly? Kinda. PRACTICAL. You betcha. HE did not create The Game that Rand Apologists defend playing. Rand could be quixotically championing elimination of TSA, rather than its privatization.

Leaving wrongly (but lawfully) incarcerated people in prison is really, really bad. Leaving American Soldiers in harm's way because we have no stateside jobs for them . . . is that WORSE, or the SAME level of really really bad? Would you rather hang or fry?

Johnson is not talking MORE War. Romney IS talking more war. Obama, Nobel Peace Prize?! Not even an APPEARANCE of propriety.

I believe GOVERNMENT = NECESSARY EVIL. Anarchists do NOT believe that.

Stipulating that Government IS a Necessary Evil...a reasonable stipulation, given that America has ALWAYS had Governance and that there is not a glimmer of a chance of her having NONE in any of our lifetimes...Gary Johnson, pitted against Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, IS the Lesser Evil. At the very LEAST, he is that.

 

[Travlyr]

Stipulating that Government IS a Necessary Evil...a reasonable stipulation, given that America has ALWAYS had Governance and that there is not a glimmer of a chance of her having NONE in any of our lifetimes...Gary Johnson, pitted against Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, IS the Lesser Evil. At the very LEAST, he is that.

At the very least, he is that. A sad state of affairs.

 

[Respect38]

At the very least, he is that. A sad state of affairs.

Actually... I think that means that, in the worst case scenario, he's the lesser of three evils.

In the best case scenario, he's the savior that this country needs.

 

[Travlyr]

Actually... I think that means that, in the worst case scenario, he's the lesser of three evils.

In the best case scenario, he's the savior that this country needs.

LOL. The saviour of this country is Separation of Money and State. Please ... Let People Live. Please.

 

[cheapseats]

At the very least, he is that. A sad state of affairs.

No doubt about that.

Now, what do we DO? What constitutes AT LEAST going down swinging?

It is NOT endorsing Romney. It is NOT Republican Par-taaay Unity.

Even IF one buys into JOIN 'EM TO BEAT 'EM, why wouldn't beleaguered Commoners press ALL possible options..."just" for leverage?

The Platform that people are hoping to influence via Rand's endorsement of Romney means DIDDLY-SQUAT without leverage. JUST WORDS. Unenforceable.

 

[misean]

At the very least, he is that. A sad state of affairs.

Maybe you worry about the hand that you are dealt. At no point in human history has there ever been a social system that you advocate for.

 

[Travlyr]

No doubt about that.

Now, what do we DO? What constitutes AT LEAST going down swinging?

It is NOT endorsing Romney. It is NOT Republican Par-taaay Unity.

Even IF one buys into JOIN 'EM TO BEAT 'EM, why wouldn't beleaguered Commoners press ALL possible options..."just" for leverage?

The Platform that people are hoping to influence via Rand's endorsement of Romney means DIDDLY-SQUAT without leverage. JUST WORDS. Unenforceable.

No! You don't join them to beat them. You join them because you believe you can't beat them and can profit from their bribes.

"If you can't beat them, then join them." Fuck that.

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from either class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

 

[JohnAshman]

I am NOT going to do basic Internet searches for you if you're too lazy to get the facts and compare/contrast yourself. http://google.com go verify everything for yourself

I'm already tired of the invasion of Gary Johnson campaign staff here.

Okay, well, I think Romney, Obama and Paul are all anti-immigration and are for centralized federal power over immigration, while Gary Johnson is for minimal government restrictions.

I think Romney likes to punish peiople for burning the flag, though I imagine Obama is close to Gary, so that's a tie.

Romney and Obama want to increase the MIC while Paul wants to cut it 15% and Gary 43%.

I guess Gary is closer to Obama and Romney in that he wouldn't allow states to outlaw sodomy.

 

[Travlyr]

Maybe you worry about the hand that you are dealt. At no point in human history has there ever been a social system that you advocate for.

I do not advocate for a social system. I simply advocate to be left alone unless I harm another human. Not social harm but actual harm.

 

[JohnAshman]

No! You don't join them to beat them. You join them because you believe you can't beat them and can profit from their bribes.

"If you can't beat them, then join them." Fuck that.

You seem to be on the side of statist, nationalist, anti-Rothbardian Ron Paul, so how haven't you joined them.

 

[JohnAshman]

That is true, and horrible. A champion of Liberty AND decriminalization of Marijuana had it within his literal grasp to pardon non-violent drug "offenders", and he opted for more prison space...shopped it out to MERCENARIES, no less.

Well, keep in mind there are truly a small percentage of drug offenders in jail, precisely because there wasn't enough space. Most of the people doing time on drug charges are doign so because they are violent people who have been arrested for or convicted numerous times of violent crimes. People doing hard time for drugs are generally doing so in the FEDERAL system and Gary had no power over that.

At the time, Gary's rationale was that regardless, they knew the law and violated it and so it was a legal conviction. He has since come to believe that nullification is the way to go. That if you nullify, you change the system. That you can't just wait on Congress to do the right thing.

I mean, yes, he should have been brave and made some pardons, but you should have seen the firestorm when he came out for legalizing marijuana. It was UGLY. Seriously UGLY. And his approval rating utterly tanked, so the people of the state were totally against it.

New Mexico has a terrible violent crime rate stemming from massive drug sales and transport. So, of course, people unwittingly make matters worse by trying even harder to clamp down on it.

 

[Travlyr]

You seem to be on the side of statist, nationalist, anti-Rothbardian Ron Paul, so how haven't you joined them.

Because in your own words:

You really haven't read anything Ron Paul has written, have you?

No, but his own positions betray him as not a true libertarian. And I repeat, thank God for that. True libertarians like Rothbard are completely out of touch with reality. I also prefer a little more pragmatism. I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul BECAUSE he was saying "pull out the troops now". Well, it's 4 years later and pulling them out slowly isn't working and they've had 4 years to man up, so, I'm now ready to support a "get out now" candidate. Besides, we're now bombing more civilians than terrorists and they're printing more every day.

Might be a good time to actually read.

 

[Travlyr]

No doubt about that.

Now, what do we DO? What constitutes AT LEAST going down swinging?

It is NOT endorsing Romney. It is NOT Republican Par-taaay Unity.

Even IF one buys into JOIN 'EM TO BEAT 'EM, why wouldn't beleaguered Commoners press ALL possible options..."just" for leverage?

The Platform that people are hoping to influence via Rand's endorsement of Romney means DIDDLY-SQUAT without leverage. JUST WORDS. Unenforceable.

You have to End The Fed. The focus must be on ending monopoly money. ASAP.

 

[thoughtomator]

LOL here's me caring about what some GJ staffer troll thinks:



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