The case for mandatory GMO labeling – even if you believe in limited government and the fr

[HigherVision]

Excuse me? How in the hell did we evolve without Monsanto and Dow Chemical? Seriously! I am not anti-capitalist, I am against crony capitalism! There is definitely a difference, and people like you fail to make that distinction. You are falling for the crony capitalists lie!!

Government pays farmers not to produce. Because they have their crony friends who lobby them to do so. Corporate Welfare!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/01/AR2006070100962.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012...nt-program-paying-farmers-not-to-plant-crops/
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/senate_passes_5-year_farm_and.html
http://www.enotes.com/payment-kind-...yment-kind-program-pays-u-s-farmers-not-plant

Tell me this, why is Organic Farmers and Ranchers around the country being raided?

http://communities.washingtontimes....1/aug/6/rawsome-foods-raided-sad-day-america/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/rawsome-raid-_n_917540.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/04/the-rawesome-raid-and-raw-milk-controversy/


Why are Amish dairy farms being raided?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...y-fda-raids-shuts-down-raw-milk-business?lite
http://communities.washingtontimes....da-escalates-war-against-amish-dairy-farmers/
http://www.wapf-houston.org/wapf-ho...-escalates-war-against-amish-dairy-farmers-2/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/amish/discuss/72157626654869501/

You need to get a clue there buddy. The waters are muddy from people like yourself, who fail to realize that the water is being polluted by propaganda.

Higher Vision-- interesting moniker you have picked, too bad you have been blinded, by crony capitalism.

I'm completely opposed to the existence of regulatory agencies, and government tariffs, quotas and subsidies. I vote to end these things by supporting political candidates who are against them. But what I think you and many libertarians assume falsely is that only small businesses can exist in a free market and no large businesses would. But during the time period when America had a mostly free market before the 1900's that wasn't the case. If genetic modification cheapens the cost of food production, and food grown using GMO is cheaper as a result many people will choose to buy it voluntarily for that reason. No one has the moral right to intervene, even if it's true that the food is less healthy than non-GMO. The trade-off for the people who choose to consume it is that they get to save more of their money which increase the quality of life in other ways, perhaps making up for the loss in food quality. And it's up to consumers to research what they're buying, no crime is committed as long as producers don't commit fraud and misrepresent their product blatantly, like if Monsanto started advertising GMO food specifically as non-GMO.

 

[HigherVision]

Even if its your social security number or home address? What about your name? I guess "identity theft" is not a crime in your books. What about counterfeiting?

I know you'll respond "but that's fraud!" and I will ask "How is it fraud? Why can't it be free speech? Do you own words or what they mean?"

These are just a lot of logical fallacies. The test of whether an action is a crime or not is if it initiates force against another person. The act of copying a cd doesn't initiate force against anyone, except maybe the disc that has to undergo being burned by a laser. Seriously though, how you can equate that with identity theft I don't understand.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

what is the suit about?

can you give an example?

The United States FDA Regulations make it illegal to label your product "GMO Free"

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/millenium/fdadisallowsgmo-freelabel.php

Google "Captured Regulators"

ETA -- If FedGov says "You are NOT allowed to label your product GMO free because it's embarrassing to GMO" then I say there is no choice in the states which want to provide the freedom of choice to their citizens except to mandate GMO labeling.

Allow companies to label their products GMO Free unmolested and there is no reason to require GMO's be labeled. This is corporatism. Dictionary definition fascism. This is an example of the people defending themselves from a fascist government being operated by the special interests to the detriment of the American people.

 

[liberdom]

These are just a lot of logical fallacies. The test of whether an action is a crime or not is if it initiates force against another person. The act of copying a cd doesn't initiate force against anyone, except maybe the disc that has to undergo being burned by a laser. Seriously though, how you can equate that with identity theft I don't understand.

Explain to me, smarty.

1) why use your test? Who uses your test?
2) Let's say we use your test, I would have to agree that copying a CD isn't using force against a person. So explain to me how identity theft or counterfeiting is.

I wrote this in response to somebody saying "information can't be owned, and should be free". He said nothing about intiating force, but since you did, I'll let you do the talking.

 

[liberdom]

The United States FDA Regulations make it illegal to label your product "GMO Free"

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/millenium/fdadisallowsgmo-freelabel.php

Google "Captured Regulators"

That's not what I asked, or what you said. You said Monsanto is suing private companies who label, so I ask you, what is the tort?

If you meant to say new FDA regulations prohibit voluntary labeling of non-GMO, then fine.

 

[liberdom]

I'm completely opposed to the existence of regulatory agencies, and government tariffs, quotas and subsidies.

Meaning you have no problem with unemployment, outsourcing and immigration?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That's not what I asked, or what you said. You said Monsanto is suing private companies who label, so I ask you, what is the tort?

If you meant to say new FDA regulations prohibit voluntary labeling of non-GMO, then fine.

They are doing that too, but the FDA issue is both more pertinent and easier to confirm. If you actually cared about an answer to your fundamental premise, then that would have been enough. Your splitting of hairs here plainly reveals that you don't really care about an answer to your issue.

 

[KingNothing]

Is there anything libertarian about companies deliberately profiting by genocide?

It must be nice to be able to view the world through a prism that delinates everything so clearly between righteous and good, and nefarious and evil.

 

[liberdom]

They are doing that too, but the FDA issue is both more pertinent and easier to confirm. If you actually cared about an answer to your fundamental premise, then that would have been enough. Your splitting of hairs here plainly reveals that you don't really care about an answer to your issue.

I am not interested in the fundamental premise, I am interested in facts, with context, and claims people make. "FDA prohibits" vs "Monsanto sues private individuals" is splitting hairs???

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I am not interested in the fundamental premise,

And there, sir, is your problem.

 

[liberdom]

It must be nice to be able to view the world through a prism that delinates everything so clearly between righteous and good, and nefarious and evil.

Of course, you wanna waste time thinking and doubting? No wonder this country is such a moral and financial mess.

 

[rideurlightning]

Disagree. Let the market deal with this issue.

 

[rideurlightning]

Jews don't need the government to require quality control and labeling of kosher foods. They have private entities that meet their demand for that. If people who don't want to eat GMO food choose only to buy food that has been similarly labeled as certified GMO-free, they can do that. They don't need the government to get involved.

THIS.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Disagree. Let the market deal with this issue.

I agree with you. So then what do we do about the FDA making it illegal for American companies to label their products "GMO-Free"?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Jews don't need the government to require quality control and labeling of kosher foods. They have private entities that meet their demand for that. If people who don't want to eat GMO food choose only to buy food that has been similarly labeled as certified GMO-free, they can do that. They don't need the government to get involved.

Except that's illegal, unlike labeling something Kosher, which is perfectly legal.

 

[rideurlightning]

What everyone fails to understand is that in order to pure free-market capitalism to function you need a morally perfect society. But we don't have this. Businesses will attempt to cut-corners, consumers will become lazy and uninformed, the little guy will get bought-out because he does things the honest way. Just like what we have at the moment.

So why are you here again?

 

[KingNothing]

If only organic farming was allowed the food supply would shrink and food would become unaffordable for millions of people.

That so few people realize this is very disconcerting.

 

[KingNothing]

Of course, you wanna waste time thinking and doubting? No wonder this country is such a moral and financial mess.

Thinking means understanding the nuances inherent in every issue, and not making bombastic ill-informed claims. The world is not black and white. Issues are much deeper and more complicated than they appear.

 

[tttppp]

Except that's illegal, unlike labeling something Kosher, which is perfectly legal.

Why is that illegal? That seems like one of the all-time stupidest laws.

 

[liberdom]

I agree with you. So then what do we do about the FDA making it illegal for American companies to label their products "GMO-Free"?

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a restriction on accuracy, just like "certified organic" rather than a blanket "you are not allowed to sell or advertise whether it's GMO"